Hash Church Season 12 Episode 23

Join us while we dive into Thailand Cannabis with Prevempe 

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:03

Alrighty then. We're getting close here. We're getting close.

SPEAKER_10 0:09

Just gonna go live. See if that's gonna pop for us.

SPEAKER_02 0:19

Come on, go live button. Oh, I think it just flipped. There it is. All right.

SPEAKER_09 0:26

Okay. Just waiting.

SPEAKER_02 0:35

Make sure. Oh, there I am. Welcome everybody. Welcome everybody to another episode of Hash Church here in beautiful Denver, Colorado at the reserve. You almost wouldn't even know we had a party here last night. You almost wouldn't know it was that ridiculous. But this is the little bit of mess that's left over. And uh I'm gonna clean it later. But in the meantime, make sure everybody can hear properly, make sure we're on this proper, everyone's good, sounds good, looks good. Appreciate that, John. That was literally what I was hoping for and looking for. And uh, all right. Without further ado, I'm gonna shout out the sponsors because we love our sponsors. We do, we do, we do. All right, here we go. Let's do this, people. I'm a little shaky this morning, I'm not gonna lie. That was uh that was a lot yesterday. That was a lot. Ah, there we go. That's why that's not opened. Okay, without further ado, we would love to shout out our good friends at the Press Club. And you can uh elevate your solventless game at Hash Church with the Press Club's premium lineup of rosin extraction essentials. At least supporting the community through top-tier tools that make clean, potent concentrates of breeze from their legendary rosin bags with a proprietary pink stitch and zero blowout guarantee for unbeatable durability and yield, and award-winning wash bags, premium parchment paper, pre-pressed molds, and the innovative press club rosin press for precise heat and pressure control. You know, whether you're crafting at home or scaling up, their isoswab station and collection plates keep your setup spotless and efficient, all crafted with 100% food grade die-free nylon for contaminant-free results that preserve those precious terps. You can join the press club in championing hash church by heading over, and I mean this by heading over, please head over uh to www.thepressclub.co today, and uh you can gear up for your next Epic Press. So go do that, support the sponsors. Um, once again, Puffco, huge, huge supporters of the party yesterday. Shout out to Scott uh for coming in with the team uh and really taking care of business and showing up with a ton of Puffcos. I got mine right here. And of course, the same way you can elevate your sessions uh at uh with the press club, you can elevate your sessions at Hash Church with Puffco's cutting edge lineup. And uh obviously, as I'm holding, uh we can start out with the innovative pivot, a pocket-sized dab pen that delivers the full rig experience on the go, featuring a quick release 3D chamber for premium flavor and real-time temperature control for heat presets and haptic feedback. For epic group rips, we're gonna dive into the Puffco Peak Pro powered by Revolutionary 3D XL bowl technology that does offer almost 80% larger chamber for about twice as much vapor. Even heating from the sides, which really releases those VOX uh in a beautiful way. XL joystick for fuller loads with less reclaim and don't miss the new proxy. The modular portable powerhouse with four precision heat settings, fast 90-minute charging, boost mode for intense hits, and easy disassembly for seamingless, seamless cleaning. Really perfect for any adventure. Support Puffco's game-changing innovations by heading over to www.puffco.com, or you can follow them at Puffco on Instagram today. So shout out to those guys. Shout out to Bubble Bags too. I'm not gonna give the spiel today, but shout out to us. We're the pioneers, we did a bunch of shit, blah, blah, blah. How cool is that! I'm gonna let my guest in here real quick. Got a nice show today. We got Premp Prempave. I want to make sure I'm not butchering her name. She'll come in and explain her name, and uh we will see how that goes. Hey, there you are.

SPEAKER_10 4:49

Let's make sure I can hear you. Hello, welcome. Welcome, welcome.

SPEAKER_02 4:57

What is it? Sawati cup?

SPEAKER_04 5:00

Satika.

SPEAKER_02 5:02

Okay, there it is. Female and male, right? It's different. I remember that in Thailand. Um, welcome, Caleb, as well. How are you doing, buddy?

SPEAKER_07 5:12

Good, good. Hello.

SPEAKER_10 5:15

Have you met Prempa Prempa Ve? Is it Prempa Ve?

SPEAKER_04 5:21

Hello, Sadiha. I'm good.

SPEAKER_10 5:24

You're good. How do we how do I say your name?

SPEAKER_04 5:28

Prempa Wee.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

Prempa Wee. Okay, wonderful. I was butchering it, so apologies for that. Welcome all the way from Thailand. I hope it's beautiful in Thailand today.

SPEAKER_04 5:41

Yes, the weather good today.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

No rain. Oh, nice, nice, nice. I feel like the weather's good every day in Thailand, but I guess, yeah, the rain gets some monsoons and it's they stand for rain. Okay, wonderful. So, where in Thailand are you right now?

SPEAKER_04 6:01

Um in N Panom Tao.

SPEAKER_11 6:05

Okay, is that north?

SPEAKER_04 6:10

Not eat.

SPEAKER_02 6:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 6:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:15

I'm not sure exactly where that is, but I'll have to check it out. I haven't been to Thailand since 1998. That was the last time I was in Thailand. Um a little bit, yeah, yeah, a long time ago for sure. And what about you, Caleb? You're calling in from uh Cali. Is that where you're at right now?

SPEAKER_07 6:37

Yep, yep. I'm in the Bay Area in San Jose. And I've never ever been to Thailand. Taiwan, yes, but no Thailand.

SPEAKER_02 6:48

Oh, you gotta go check out Thailand. I have not been there, obviously, since it blew up and and with cannabis, so yeah, I'm definitely wondering how that is in Thailand with being surrounded by countries uh like Singapore that are not so cannabis friendly. It's so close. But yeah, is that uh do a lot of people from other parts of Asia come to Thailand for smoking?

SPEAKER_11 7:21

Yes, of course they do.

SPEAKER_04 7:24

People uh around the will come to Thailand and for smoking.

SPEAKER_02 7:29

Very cool. It's cool how Thailand just sort of snatched that over from Amsterdam. People used to go to Amsterdam for smoking, and now uh now it's less and less and less, although they did just pass the rule the other day that the tourists can continue to smoke um at the coffee shops because they were trying to make it so they couldn't. Oh my goodness, I'm throwing jars all over the place. Bear with me, guys. Uh I have uh some jars left over from the party here. Wow, yeah, very, very good. Lots of beautiful, beautiful hash, even some full melt bubble. That's some that's some full melt lemon head bubble hash right here.

SPEAKER_07 8:16

Looks kind of pretty. That's nice.

SPEAKER_02 8:18

Yeah, dude. Right on this is on the market, too. This is like pretty excited about that. Pretty excited. Well, I'm gonna start with a dab of some of Frosty's uh smoke in reserve here that he gave me the last time I was in Denver and wanted me to make sure that I smoked it and I didn't get to smoke too much, but I will smoke some now. I will smoke some now. So tell us about your cop that you have going on in Thailand. You have a cannabis competition, right?

SPEAKER_04 8:55

Yeah. Now we make uh this yeah, we make um like a final five final um and a kid uh the winner. We have hickory, uh indoor, outdoor.

SPEAKER_11 9:16

Nice.

SPEAKER_04 9:19

I have the winner um race the the winner number one uh he is named Kathai. Yes, Ancona uh the the third uh Pichu Pichu uh the from the beginning she the win win number one but this this time the third nice so the competition is there that's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 9:56

Wow, what a cool yeah uh also I have um indoor indoor we have um these are from Japanese and Amsterdam is more Well congratulations And this time they win the second from my and happy and uh the winner from Puket representing Yes Very cool well we gotta get out there and check it out Caleb what do you think definitely definitely go check her out her scene she's also growing like food and like doing regenerative style agriculture and like grown herb and yeah it's just like I feel like she's got a little bit of paradise going on over there. Everything she's able to grow and the the methods and I'm sure people from all over the world, well, people from all over the world have always um wanted to go to Thailand and explore Thailand. It really is a spectacularly beautiful country, um, with really very you know simple rules like learning when I went there to just you know keep keep kind words about the king, right? Don't say anything negative about the king. That was like a simple rule, respect the the those guys. And uh, you know, I was there when at cannabis was not legal, but even still we kept it to ourselves and we seem to be okay. And it's it's very nice to see Thailand you know legalize on on a federal level because um that part of the world doesn't have a lot of that, you know, that whole part of Asia where it's like you've got some like Japan is very strict about cannabis. Uh, and so too, obviously, is China, and so too, obviously, is um Malaysia and the Philippines. The Philippines is still one of the countries that actually executes people from cannabis, which uh Etienne has been on here before talking about that. So it really is a very unique spot that you guys have in Thailand to feed the rest of the of Asia. I'm sure countries in Asia do not like their citizens going to Thailand and smoking cannabis. I can't imagine. I know in Vancouver we have a very large Chinese population, and the Chinese Communist Party, the CCP, they make announcements in Canada to the Chinese people of China who are in Canada, and they are suggesting to them that they do not use legal cannabis while in the country. So it's very, very strict. I can imagine. I just can't imagine how much those governments do not like Thailand making cannabis illegal to the rest of Asia. Oh my goodness. So good job, Thailand.

SPEAKER_04 13:39

Yes. Release that for Japanese or Chinese and Singapore, Indonesia, release that for them. They cannot make the same Thailand.

SPEAKER_02 13:49

Yeah, and it's not so, and it's not just that they can't do it, it's that if they do do it, they could face massive repercussions that could uplift their entire life. It could ruin their life. So we talk about that a lot on Hashchurch, and uh, you know, I kind of think that you guys, Thailand is kind of the first dent in the armor, right? The armor that is the Asia prohibition. And now somehow Thailand is punctured through that metal chest plate, and they're able to um, I mean, just making it available to people that are traveling to the country is absolutely incredible. Uh, and I know the way you guys went about it at the start was spectacular. And uh releasing a million clones on the first day of legalization in Thailand, I saw that, I was like, wow. Um, and just some of the people that have been uh, you know, there's a lot of countries that want to do cannabis. Um, but I've heard countless stories from people doing it in Africa and Jamaica and really a bunch of different countries where it becomes difficult to navigate the landscape of regulatory framework. It becomes hard. Um, but it seems like Thailand did it a little more. Maybe they released the doors a little too fast, but you guys seem to do it in a good enough way that um that you that it's still happening, that you guys are growing and it's still going today. So that's awesome. I'm gonna hit another dab here. What is a single source?

SPEAKER_04 15:26

It's good for gancha hefe, you know. Is uh gancha not dangerous?

SPEAKER_02 15:33

No, no, ganja's not dangerous. We know what's dangerous. Alcohol is dangerous.

SPEAKER_01 15:40

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

Just ask the police, they know. Ask them if they would rather police the cannabis people or police the people um who are drunk on alcohol. And I think they'll say, yeah, we would rather police the ganja people because they just want food and they're just walking around pretty mellow. But alcohol people seem to get into fights uh and create more drama than is necessary. So, yeah, ganja for the wind, um, organic food and ganja for the wind.

SPEAKER_10 16:20

Right?

SPEAKER_02 16:24

So tell us uh tell us a little bit about how you started your your little thing in Thailand here. How you before maybe the cup and your business and your your farm.

SPEAKER_04 16:39

Um in Thailand the the farm to begin. I don't know. I don't know very well. I know only the name and then I go to run in uh internet about three days, four days with my husband. We run, we check everything. Uh and I go around my area who who interests uh kancha, I go to speak with them and meeting someday we meeting and talk about who who want to grow kancha. Then I go I ask some fan in our village and another village where they meet meeting and I go, if I know I go everywhere, you know, around and I meet people and we talk about kancha and how we can do blah blah blah. Later I come back and start to grow. Also, I I buy the seed from farmer because uh the farmer, big farmer, one group, really big, maybe like uh 30 people, 50 people make one group they they grow be before, and I buy the seed from from one farm because help like a grandma. She she held the family, you know, put the soy in the pot, you know, and I go to speak with her and later I buy the seed from her. And I I grow also uh kancha hai and kancha phalang.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

You know, and learn did you grow big plants or smaller plants?

SPEAKER_04 18:40

I have also big Ms. uh from the beginning, you know. Nice and I learned uh that time from the beginning I I learned, but like uh start from rain season and I get a lot so many pairs because you know, and they they not so why and then dry a lot.

SPEAKER_02 19:13

But it's a learning experience, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:16

But I start to grow again one after one week. I grow again and again try uh and check what happened, you know.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

Yeah, well, that's how we learn, that's how we all learn. We find a mistake or an obstacle, and then it's a matter of figuring it out the best that we can, and so that's uh that's the journey, it's not too much different than growing food.

SPEAKER_04 19:43

Also, I try to make green greenhouse for some more that's a little hard. Later um they're not good that time, and then I I when rain season finished, I take out beautiful. Now only only uh grow outdoor organic outdoor organic.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

Well, that is lovely. Do you guys also make hash?

SPEAKER_04 20:20

Oh I I try one time, two time, but the the machine um not good. Have some problem. I don't know how to fix it.

SPEAKER_11 20:31

Well, we'll help you. We'll get you we'll get you going.

SPEAKER_04 20:36

Oh we we have some friend him him have this machine him clip me and I I try to do, but the machine has some problem. I don't know how to fit now. Uh I get only some uh product.

SPEAKER_02 20:57

Yeah. Is that a rosin press? The machine is that for making rosin? Yes, yes, okay, for sure. I feel like rosin would be great in Thailand, but Thailand has powerful sun, and so my interest in Thailand would be to make bubble hash to see how what how nice I could make the bubble hash and how melty. Can you imagine just the exotic melty heads, Colin, from Thailand?

SPEAKER_06 21:26

Well, I was looking at your website, and hello, nice to meet you. I'm Colin from Vessel. Um, nice to meet you. Um, good to see you, Caleb. What's up, Marcus? Um, I saw all these amazing um very narrow leaf cultivars that you're growing um on your website, and uh because I was like kind of quick, I was like, I don't know who this person is, I'm gonna learn about them a little bit. And I saw these really wispy, airy flowers. Do you want to tell us a little about what where those came from?

SPEAKER_04 22:06

I have um this yeah from uh Ren Reyes, also uh DNA genetic.

SPEAKER_06 22:19

Nice. I was just with them. Yeah, I just yeah, so they so she's got 24 karat gold, chocolopo, or chocolope, um uh few others, right? You've got it, you got maybe like four or five other ones from them, like a couple outcrosses of the OG 18 or 16 or 18. 18 and got it, and then uh you have all these really amazing sativas, which I thought were really cool. Um because you know, in in in America or in North America, we rarely see this at scale. The way I mean I I think half your page was these really beautiful um narrow leaf varietals, and um, you know, we don't have the luxury of that here. We don't have these long flowering times due to a bunch of different reasons, you know, whether it's the facilities, uh you know, motives and behind how many times a year they want to get a crop in, or you know, outdoor growers that same thing, they're just they're looking for the maximize the canopy. Um I'm sure we get some individuals out there that do grow some of these narrowly varietals for sale and and consumers you know do get a get a hold of them, but it's really rare. You know, like I I personally grew a PIF, you know, a stellar strawberry piff um two runs ago, and you know, it took a really long time and everyone voted to not run it again, right? So it seems like in your realm in your part of the world, you have these it's almost expected to do these really long flowering time varietals. Um and it seems like most of your menu is filled with that. Um so do you have uh genetics that you you favor?

SPEAKER_04 24:11

Um I um and which ones and foit hong and tan sea. Yes, this this year I grew land rate. Also from Flanganta, I have DNA and from California and some fan of us uh uh keep the seed to me and I grow in my farm this year in my website.

SPEAKER_10 24:46

You can check my website and menu because I don't remember on you want to throw our website up, Paul, and maybe in the yeah she's gonna do that.

SPEAKER_06 24:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just sent you a request if you can let me share. Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_02 25:09

Dude, I went till four in the morning here last night, by the way, with the Terps and Tallow party.

SPEAKER_06 25:13

Holy surprise you even went to bed.

SPEAKER_02 25:18

Yeah, I almost didn't. It was like 4 a.m. I was sitting right here taking dabs and was like, oh my god, like it is time to go to bed. Hey, shout out dread for this Oishi, by the way. Oheshi. All right, there you go.

SPEAKER_06 25:33

All right, so look, the the pearls right here, Marcus, are pretty interesting. I thought. Yes, I need those. Those are great, right? Um, so can you tell us a little bit about these the best you can? Maybe the first two?

SPEAKER_04 25:48

Uh-huh. Mechon classic and pearl. This I never get pearl like this. You know, when when I go um uh hang rock, I try and every year I grow for poetic uh hang rock. And this year I get pearl um she become like a mixed lady boy in one pen. The the fowl will strain and get like um long long uh stick and have flour a little bit. When people see uh like uh don't lie, don't want to smoke, but uh yes, sometimes I keep uh they they try they everybody say this really smoke and they lie a lot.

SPEAKER_06 26:51

So one thing that I'm seeing which is interesting here for for us in North America and elsewhere that really look at THC percent is like do you guys see this 10 to 16 percent here? Um 13 to 15, 17, um, 15. Uh I think that's really interesting because you know, I'm s I know you have some 23 and 25s on here too. I just want to but I want to point out that a lot of these really wispy varietals tend to be on that lower side of the testing spectrum. Um but when you see lemon nips, it looks pretty familiar, right? Like we're all we all see these numbers here pretty regularly. Um here's the 24 Garat gold that you have. I thought that was pretty interesting, 20%. Um mango haze, I'd love to smoke that at 15%. I'm sure that's delicious. Um you know, I love this. But I think it's really interesting because it it shows. I'm gonna go to the top again just to kind of get back to you know, we're looking at really low numbers on on a nice spread, I would say, personally. I I kind of I'm interested in the super perm or prem. What's super prem?

SPEAKER_04 28:20

This uh hang rock mix with uh prop fiction You know I I mix with uh another one.

SPEAKER_06 28:35

So you made this yourself, this Alcross?

SPEAKER_04 28:39

Yeah cool.

SPEAKER_10 28:42

It's got her name on it.

SPEAKER_04 28:44

This not hang rock 100% I mix uh two percent turbs.

SPEAKER_06 28:52

I'd love to see what's up with that. Um this is great. Um do you keep these in seed form or is the are these cuttings?

SPEAKER_01 29:08

I have seed this.

SPEAKER_02 29:12

Do you keep do you keep mothers as well for clones or do you always grow from seed?

SPEAKER_04 29:18

I don't have clean house or make clone. I grow everything from I keep my seed.

SPEAKER_06 29:26

So you go direct into the ground. That's great.

SPEAKER_04 29:32

I make some more cool yes.

SPEAKER_06 29:39

Um well that's really interesting. So the the thing that I I'm learning from you is that you're you're all outdoor. That's what that's that's what you're growing, all outside?

SPEAKER_04 29:53

Outside, yes.

SPEAKER_06 29:55

Awesome. Black mango. Dude, I want to smoke all sorts of those buds. Yeah, um me too. I like the lavender's lavender looks really interesting. Tiger tail. This one over here. I think they catch my show.

SPEAKER_09 30:23

Uh big fan of the pearls always.

SPEAKER_06 30:26

Uh Marcus, look at that big old yeah.

SPEAKER_09 30:33

Look at that. Yeah. Damn.

SPEAKER_02 30:40

I would like that, please. If you could just send that to Canada. Are you uh are is Thailand now starting to send flour out to the rest of the world?

SPEAKER_01 30:53

No, not yet.

SPEAKER_10 30:57

Soon, maybe one day.

SPEAKER_04 31:00

Maybe one day. I hope um maybe one day. Now like um go a minute, they make you if you want sin, you have to make with them little uh nothing, cannot sing outside.

SPEAKER_06 31:18

There's a couple groups that are able to, but I think it's very limited for the general yeah, uh it's certainly not limited in Canada, let me tell you.

SPEAKER_02 31:30

No, no. In fact, I just started a company on the weekend to um of the uh last weekend to export hash out of Canada to a whole variety of countries. So if anyone needs hash, look us, hit us up. We'll get you some. It is a game that you really have to have a lot of regulations lined up. Everything has to be dotted and crossed and quite well organized, but um yeah, I think it's a it's a great uh it's a great pathway.

SPEAKER_06 32:12

Yeah, I will be down in uh Thailand at the end of this month. You can see oh yeah, the pearls. Look at that.

SPEAKER_02 32:22

Look at that, Caleb.

SPEAKER_07 32:25

That was beautiful, dude. So those are very the smaller the bracks, those are the smallest pearls I've ever seen. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 32:38

Oh my god, I want to smoke that so bad.

SPEAKER_06 32:42

Yeah. Where where are you located in Thailand? Where's um where's your location?

SPEAKER_04 32:50

Uh if you come to Thailand, you can post my name on Google map. Uh this area in Nakhon Panon Poinsi. The Honsuan D tree. Sub the tree uh Honbo before a long time ago he this area um we go people we uh our our fans grow in Bantai really familiar in Bantai because uh they go in the forest and have liver liver small liver for code who uh liver home. This area have uh like a big foret, they they go really near the for uh the the small liver, you know and also uh can like uh police cannot be easy to shake your your garden or your farm the time. But in my village not easy to do like that because uh here my area only rifle and for it, but don't have water or some more liver like that, and we cannot do like that too much. If you grow you go only like a two-three pan for your smoke yourself.

SPEAKER_02 34:37

Well, good that the police can't check up on you too easily. It's always uh when it just went legal. Did the police just stop focusing on it completely? Because for a long time the police would harass you if you smoked weed in Thailand.

SPEAKER_04 34:54

I don't sorry, I don't smoke.

SPEAKER_02 34:57

No, you don't smoke, yeah. You're just growing it for the rest of us. Well, we appreciate that.

SPEAKER_04 35:05

Uh long time ago uh police come to check and cutting everything, but have some some police they they with with uh our fan they come to heal a little bit for growth and or selling something like that and they they they grow in that area, but when bring to selling you have to pay something or uh speak about the bullet uh hey, you can come to him ask, something like that, and if him say yes him protect I I go to speak with this family, him him tell me uh yes we go for selling we have to speak with the police and this police uh uh here and protect sometime not not always but him here, you know, and then they claw and send to the market to uh selling for USA, you know, and they make ladies before long time ago. Later when police come to now they make lika. The police don't make problem also my area. Police they go gancha also.

SPEAKER_10 36:56

Really? The police grow ganja in your area?

SPEAKER_04 36:59

Yes, uh in like uh police him have uh the land before they they go um rice now him start to go gancha. You know not not not only farmer, also police they grow.

SPEAKER_09 37:23

Okay that's amazing.

SPEAKER_04 37:29

Everybody can grow, but uh if for you used for yourself, you can grow like a seed plant, you know.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

And do you grow for the stores? Do you grow flour and then sell it to the stores, or do you keep it and trade it with friends? Where does your flour go that you grow? How does it where does it sell?

SPEAKER_04 37:52

I have um license. I make license for for growing my land, yes, and saline. I have um small shop in my farm.

SPEAKER_09 38:07

Yeah, very cool.

SPEAKER_02 38:11

A whole the whole world is opening up slowly but surely. Uh it's interesting how many different markets I go to and the different maturities of those markets. And I mean, here's beautiful rosin from Illinois. Like, look at that, just like middle America right there. Shout out to Dredge. Yeah, it's very nice.

SPEAKER_01 38:32

Very shit.

SPEAKER_02 38:34

Yeah, it's got a little bit of uh, it's it is the shit. I am gonna smash out all these jars on hash church today. It was my stash that I left here, and my buddy was like, Don't worry, I'm not gonna smoke it. And then I come and I literally open every jar, and every jar looks like this. I'm like, dude, I thought you said you weren't gonna smoke this. He's like, Oh, I didn't. I'm like, well, he's like, everyone else did. I'm like, well, but I put it away like sealed in a bag in the freezer. He's like, Well, you know, I was telling people if they want to smoke, there's some stuff in the freezer. I was like, Colorado went to fucking town on my hash. Look, that one actually has a little bit in it. So today I'm getting my fair share of these jars, and I'm literally sitting here and smoking as many as I can. In fact, I think this one right here is full melt bubble. This one I'm quite happy to have found. Look at that, just wonderful. So I'm gonna pull the hard dabber out for that one. Can't be using the Puffco on this unit. I had my Puffco blade uh scooped accidentally at the party last night, but someone left this one behind. And I'm thinking uh it was because of of this. This thing is like very loose, but I'll take it. I'm just happy to have a dabber to get my product into the uh so wow, you've never smoked, hey.

SPEAKER_10 40:14

No smoking.

SPEAKER_01 40:15

I have I have chiluf.

SPEAKER_10 40:18

Oh, that is the chilli. You see is that your hash?

SPEAKER_01 40:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_10 40:26

Wow, Thai hash. Look at that, eh? But you don't smoke.

SPEAKER_04 40:31

Yes, for my husband.

SPEAKER_10 40:34

Oh, it's for your husband.

SPEAKER_02 40:37

Nice, what a dream. His wife's just making like growing food and weed for him. That is awesome. Look at this bubble hash, guys.

SPEAKER_01 40:47

Beautiful, creamy, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:52

It's definitely creamy. It's trippy actually. Oh my god, it smells so good. Shout out to Aqua Teen Single Source. Shout out to Aqua Teen Single Source. Shout out to his crazy packaging too. What the hell?

SPEAKER_09 41:13

Look at this.

SPEAKER_02 41:23

But it is cool looking.

SPEAKER_01 41:25

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 41:27

Cool, cool beans. Well, we had a big party here yesterday for about, I don't even know how long. I think it went until three or four in the morning, and we had about 50 people. And we had a bunch of booths set up with hash makers. Uh, we had bought a bunch of their hash and then just you know suggested that they just give it out uh and dabs to people, which was great. Uh, people quite enjoyed that. We had an amazing chef, and he was just busting out amazing food all night, which was uh was pretty awesome. I don't think I can share it because it probably hasn't um shown up yet. I was gonna say my pictures haven't caught up with my phone yet, but if it does later in the in the show, I'll share some pictures of the evening last night. Because it really was it really was quite lovely and fun. Adam had the Vindicator set up. Have you guys ever seen the Vindicator? It's like a four-foot glass pipe hooked up to a chair, hooked up to a student glass, hooked up to a nitrous oxide tank. That guy on the on the ground on the thing there, he had fallen down right before, but you can kind of see the nitrous oxide tank is right next to the guy. And uh yeah, they're about to load him up a big fat bowl of rosin. He you can see the jar he's got in his hand is like a hundred gram jar of rosin, maybe a 200 gram jar. Anyway, this thing was insane. It was like a big dab, and then nitrous oxide shot the whole dab into your lungs. And so Adam Dunn, of course, showed up with that and called it the Vindicator. And uh, oh my goodness, dude. You know what? There is something to be said for some fun. If you're gonna have like a cannabis event, it's not a bad idea to have a couple stations that are just like, what is this? Especially if you can create a little fear in people and they're kind of like, I don't know if I want to do that. It's like the one guy did it and he stood up and then literally fell over onto the love sack because it was just such a and the the guy that I just showed the video of, he sounded like Dougie after he finished his rip. He looked, he was like, His voice was all like deep and slowed down from the uh from the nitrous oxide. Have you ever smoked before? Or your whole life you know smoking cannabis.

SPEAKER_11 44:06

That's for you, Prem.

SPEAKER_04 44:10

I don't smoke, but I use for medicine.

SPEAKER_02 44:15

Yeah, of course. It's all medicine.

SPEAKER_04 44:19

You know, uh last week, one week ago, my my head him stay here alone because I go to Nakon Penongtown for fake my computer and okay. Let her him call me, come back, uh him need me he'll hear him something, but uh him explain about him have um epilepsy uh attack.

SPEAKER_10 44:53

Oh, like shaking uh pastya and only half body, you know. Oh right.

SPEAKER_04 45:06

Yes and I come back and him explain what happened to him and then I bring him go to most detail uh let her let her uh adopt her, give him uh one medicine and vitamin them give him like this medicine oh yeah this name Lord Lord has pen that's the medicine that they gave him in that pink there's um um this myth like um did it work?

SPEAKER_10 46:12

Did it help him?

SPEAKER_04 46:16

Rores sepan.

SPEAKER_07 46:18

Marky and I got into politics together.

SPEAKER_11 46:25

Hey, we don't talk about politics here.

SPEAKER_04 46:27

I'm just more than to lose more than to lose more than kancha at least.

SPEAKER_09 46:31

Oh of course it is then I don't keep to my kids.

SPEAKER_04 46:36

I I explain to him and I don't keep to my kids, then I give him um him scare uh kancha a little bit and then I give uh gami for him eat, you know.

SPEAKER_02 46:52

Yeah, how many milligrams? 10 milligrams.

SPEAKER_04 46:57

Five five milligrams.

SPEAKER_02 47:00

That's good, that's good. That's that's good, smart. Start small, don't go too high, and don't be afraid of cannabis, it'll help you.

SPEAKER_04 47:11

Uh him by treating him uh start to uh use some more small. If he's strong enough, he can put more high.

SPEAKER_09 47:24

Right, of course.

SPEAKER_02 47:28

Well, I'm excited because myself today I'm gonna go rent a motorcycle and drive to Longmont, Colorado. So I get to drive through the hills of Colorado on a motorcycle, ripping down the mountain. I might go see Stuart at Minor Melts as well. He has suggested that that would be a good idea. He lives in some really amazing, he said it was like the quintessential motorcycle loop for Colorado. So I'm kind of excited about it, I'm not gonna lie. I am going to smoke this entire hash church, dude, nonstop.

SPEAKER_06 48:09

You should. As you should. As you should. Um so in Thailand, you've been you've been growing mainly just, you know, uh, it sounds like just for yourself, and then when you were able to get a license, you got a license, and you see you have a business now that's that's down there, and you guys just kind of grow and sell through that that license right now. That's kind of the your whole your whole operation. Do you have a store as well?

SPEAKER_04 48:39

Uh you try to uh ask some somebody um because uh this term I'm not sure from the beginning I made uh really easy, but now they they put something more um not not easy, difficult because I have um like this.

SPEAKER_06 49:12

Uh this for what can you explain to the viewers and us like what what the best that you can? What what is what is that? Is that your license?

SPEAKER_04 49:22

Yes, but this for the group, you know, uh more than uh 10 people. 10 people can make this, and you have the name of your family of your fan, 10 people, and you make community about uh herf. This for heart, also you can grow gansha from from but from bikini I do like this.

SPEAKER_06 49:50

So is that sort of um it seems so we have a caregiver program in, for instance, the state of Maine, and we've had them in the past and other states that have evolved, but um it sounds like the since the law is kind of evolved over there, you guys are now on a caregiver program. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_04 50:10

This accession. If for for you um this for you, claw you can get like this. Um you code who speaks with uh coming this uh we I uh don't know in English, but uh entirely for uh Satharana. So you go there, uh day of it, speak with them and ask everything how you can do correct, not wrong, and them explain to you everything how to uh you can do ladies like that, they explain when you understand you have to uh begin and start to uh wait and pay money from the weekend. You pay only 20 baht. 20 baht for for day they do something, you know, and later everything they are from you, you keep to them later. Um, you wait one month, you pay this uh chicho san ba.

SPEAKER_06 51:28

So um just so I can maybe decipher some of this. So so you have 10 patients total you're allowed to have, correct? 10 people, 10 people, and that they pay you 20 baht each to have the forum to be able to buy from you.

SPEAKER_04 51:48

That's if you don't have uh you don't need you need only for your sale like this because 10 people sometimes not easy to file then will make that different, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 52:02

Okay, okay, cool. So it's like it sounds like it's a it's like a some sort of a caregiver program.

SPEAKER_04 52:11

It's different because I have um they they make already like a room house, you know, one family. But this for from the beginning, me a little bit scared about if I go cancha, maybe if I do something wrong, and you can go to the chair, you know, and then I make this for potato uh we make some our fan, and this family they grow only her, you know.

SPEAKER_06 52:43

Okay, and yeah, they understand.

SPEAKER_01 52:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 52:49

Um now for the viewers, um, just trying to make sure everybody can follow along because it's you know, there's a there's a barrier here. So um my understanding is that you're in a caregiver program, and then there's a there's other tiers of licensing that you can get um that's much more expensive. Um and um so how much square footage are you growing in right now? Do you know how much space total? Like an acre, half acre.

SPEAKER_04 53:24

In Thailand we call right one rye, uh, but I have ten rye.

SPEAKER_06 53:31

Well, how much is one one right? Yeah, I was trying to look that up actually.

SPEAKER_04 53:36

Two acre?

SPEAKER_06 53:38

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_04 53:39

Ten right ten rye, uh two acres.

SPEAKER_07 53:44

Ten ryes, two acres, one rye point four, it looks like, according to the jet.

SPEAKER_06 53:50

So two acres, that's a lot of space. That's so you drying um a hundred thousand, man. Yeah, how are you trying all of that?

SPEAKER_02 54:00

That's a lot of that's a lot of she might not be growing all of it though. She just might have that space.

SPEAKER_04 54:07

Uh a T poinai a co. No, I shape on my mobile.

SPEAKER_06 54:17

Well, also, you know, the there's probably like it's just a different world, right? So how they dry could could be um, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 54:28

Based on the videos I've seen, Pram, you've got you provide a lot of spacing between the plants. So if you've got one rye under cultivation, that's how many total plants do you plant in a year?

SPEAKER_04 54:43

I I plan because I have only me and my husband, then you can shoot only 100 for you, one person. If you have fan, have you two or three, you can go more 100 100 for you can uh protect them really easy and don't make uh problem a lot about uh because you grow outside, not easy to control the the bug and a lot of problem, not easy to control, you know. Then you only 110 cents.

SPEAKER_06 55:28

Well it sounds like you're growing big plants too. There's some the the pictures that you're you know show sharing on online, and you're growing you what you've said and described as a regenerative um practice, which is awesome to hear. Um, and the plants do look like they're being grown in a in their natural habitat without any tilling or rows, so to speak. So I'm sure that helps with the quality and the um fertility of the you know throughout the growth season.

SPEAKER_04 56:02

Yes, because uh if you go more more than I say, not easy to control uh quality everything. A lot of jobs to do that uh in your garden in your farm.

SPEAKER_06 56:20

Are you feeding are you feeding plants? Do you do you feed them like nutrients or and what and if if so, what do you what are you doing?

SPEAKER_04 56:32

I give fertilizing uh f fertilize. I do um comfort comfort uh in in my field I have a spit for I do comfort, you know, and sometime make it uh uh a my bucket I make fertilize.

SPEAKER_11 56:56

You make your own fertilizer and compost awesome.

SPEAKER_04 57:02

If you want to go ahead sometime, you guess some anymore, you know, not not only one, uh red and white and worm.

SPEAKER_11 57:14

You uh worms, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:16

Uh orchanic, make organic and spray. I do like that.

SPEAKER_02 57:22

What are some of the pests that that attack your plants outside, like caterpillars or different bugs? Do you have a very specific unique to Thailand bugs?

SPEAKER_04 57:34

From the first yeah, the the worm?

SPEAKER_09 57:43

Yeah, the worm.

SPEAKER_04 57:45

I I don't know, and when I saw them really big, big uh and they eat my fowl a lot, and oh yeah. My uh next time, next year, I go to shake band uh every plant in the morning and evening two times. Then I I check uh on under the leaf, under the leaf, I have eight a lot, you know. This worm worm they come to make um maybe one one million dollars a lot, and then you just take out the leaf, this leaf you just take out.

SPEAKER_03 58:31

Just get rid of it.

SPEAKER_04 58:33

Yes. This if you don't take out uh in three days, them eat uh your brand and them go really fast, you know, the the worm. Oh yeah I shake after I know I shake and I take out for horn tone. You don't you don't get uh the worm a lot.

SPEAKER_02 58:59

Yeah, Jamaica is the same thing, it has the the worm, but they call it a caterpillar, but it gets fat and it eats a lot. They just like chomp, chomp, chomp, chomp. Just consume your whole plant. That's crazy. So that's good. You figured it out fast. You go out in the morning, you check the plants, you check them later in the day, and just do that every day to make sure you don't get because they go inside the plant too, right? The worm.

SPEAKER_04 59:27

Uh-huh. Yes. Yeah. They go inside, they eat it really fast. Sometimes you cannot see them because they clean, clean, same, same. Wow. This looks like uh chocolate.

SPEAKER_02 59:45

This is full melt lemon head bubble hash, six star. And uh I think I'm about to dip the bubble hash is such a nicer high. I can't even say it. I just smoked like five different rosins, but then I smoked one dab of this bubble hash, and it is lovely, just lovely. There's an extract competition happening here in Colorado today. The dude grows um cuff that that he's through. That this sort of party we threw last night was kind of a part of. They a lot of the people from that party yesterday came here, and now they're all doing, I think it's the extract cup today. So I'm supposed to go down there and do some judging, and we'll see how that goes.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:36

That one's almost empty. How about this one? I think this one looks like uh a pretty decent one.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:44

The light is terrible in here. I'm not sure why right now, maybe because the sun hasn't come around and I've got and I'm back lit. I've got Denver going on. Here, I'll show you guys some glass. How about this San Pedro cactus? Oh, hell yeah. Beautiful. And how about how about our plantler? You guys ever see a set of plantlers like that?

SPEAKER_07 1:01:16

That's a nice plantler.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:19

That's like a 24 corn.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:22

Yeah, that's exactly dude. 30 31 point plantler. Uh, okay, here's some of the glass that we had at the party last night. Oh. Who are we looking at here? This is all Matt Robertson.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:38

Look at this craziness. Someone left their bag here last night, their Puffco bag. Come back if you want it.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:46

Oh my god, Marcus. I need some, I need an SOS, dude. I gotta talk to Scotty, dude. I dropped this the other day. What is it? My uh my mothership slurper.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:59

Oh yeah. You might need to get another one. That's that's a that's not a fix. Look at that, it's a giraffe. It's a giraffe pipe. Look, there's some more. These ones are all Puffco tops mostly.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:26

Those look great. Yeah, look at that. They did it, they locked it up. I like that style. Just lock it up. We don't need anyone getting in there.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:36

Except me. That's the only one we need.

SPEAKER_11 1:02:40

Here. Look at this.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:45

Wow.

SPEAKER_11 1:02:51

I guess that's oh my god, that is funny. What an incredible pirate giraffe.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:01

What's that?

SPEAKER_07 1:03:02

It's a pirate giraffe.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:04

That's right. It is a pirate giraffe. Very good. It's a piraff. It's a piraff. Anyway, that's pretty cool. Here, this one's even crazier. What is this one, Caleb?

SPEAKER_07 1:03:23

Yes, the biggest of all-time giraffe.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:28

Yeah, it's a goat giraffe. A go raft? Yeah, I think it's a giraffe right there, if I've ever seen one. Dude, look at that.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:42

Like, are you kidding me? Bro, what?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:46

I know. Holy Christ. There's a big goblet in here, too. Which is super cool. Check this out.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:57

Ooh, I like that. What's that for a great? That's nice. Also, it could be a vase. It could be. It could be.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:11

What an incredible artist. No doubt about it. Um we love the idea of showcasing glassblowers for I like that one. I knew you would like that one, dude. Look at that. Little uranium green in there. Yeah, it's cool. Not bad. Oh, I see. I see Monsieur Etienne Fontaine is trying to get into the chat room to come say hello. We better get him in there. It's a pirate, dude. Did you notice the whole giraffe is a map? And there is also a pirate, like right there.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:48

Yeah, I see.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:50

I like that.

SPEAKER_11 1:04:54

Oh, dude. How about this? I didn't see the boat.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:01

The boat.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:02

Bull nautical. That's a pirate ship, damn it. That's a pirate ship. R, matey. Good to see you, Etienne.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:14

Beware.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:16

God bless you. We've got Prempa V. I'm pronouncing her name wrong, but she's in from Thailand right now, sharing uh some of her wonders and lovelies. So meet her, say hello. Hello.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:37

You show the pirate, you know, because uh I flew the Jolly Roger in combat. It's painted on my howitzer, but we also flew the flag on our 548, which used to carry all of our artillery and supplies and people. So yeah. Uh always been a fan of the Jolly Roger, but of course, Robertson's work is I mean, Robinson's work is amazing. Amazing. I have the first purple giraffe. So I'm a big fan with a little matching pendant. So the the dots are purple. That's really cool. And his feet are purple. It's a giraffe. As opposed to the goat. Makes sense. Hell yeah. So you're going up in the elevator. Oh, look at that. So Thailand. How was Thailand?

SPEAKER_10 1:06:30

Oh, mini what? Oh.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:36

That's cool. Let me just get out of here real quick. Elevator.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:45

Man, it must be a hundred degrees outside. I've been I've been hanging out on the air conditioned floor all day. Wow. It is hot up here.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:57

Yeah. The closer you get to the sun, the warmer it gets, isn't it? Is that how it works? Yeah, you're a mile high.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:04

What is it? Pretty much, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:06

So then here's a question: why is it minus 51 degrees at 35,000 feet in a plane? Science. Yeah. Well, it definitely doesn't get hotter the closer you get because you can freeze your fucking nards off at 50,000 feet. Like literally, your whole face will freeze in an instant. That is very strange. I have been practicing science my whole life, and that does not make sense to me. I'm sure some amazing scientists will be reaching out to me today and letting me know how that makes perfect sense. It just goes against all laws of physics and reality.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:42

But I'm glad we've got the story of Icarus. So, you know, how does science account for Icarus?

SPEAKER_09 1:07:49

Dude, I don't know. I don't know. I think it's time to open up the umbrella open it up. Which is, I do not want to be under just the sun. All right, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:09

My city is Vancouver, but I'm in another city right now called Denver, Colorado.

unknown 1:08:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:18

So I am in Denver. Look at that. Okay, this is nice.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:36

I like how it just rolls off your tongue.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:39

It's it's uh southeast from Vientiane. It's close to the Lao border. Not the Cambodian border or the Burmese border.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:53

Wow. Three very interesting countries right there. I was always told back way, way back, that a lot of flour that you could get in Thailand was was being grown in Cambodia. Like uh like on the border towns. There was a lot of uh like back in the day, flour being grown in Cambodia. I guess Cambodia and Laos and Burma ha do not get to grow cannabis legally with licenses, though.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:28

None of those are legal, eh?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:33

Well, good for Thailand to figure that out. Here in America, some of the most successful states, in fact, all the most successful states, rely on either A, having terrible high tax laws that send their people from their state out of state. So, like Oklahoma has the most dispensaries in America, like in that state, because of Texas. Because of Texas. Um, Texas is just, you know, going over the border and buying everything out of Oklahoma like crazy. It happens in Michigan with Ohio. Um, it's interesting how they don't see these little mistakes that if you just regulated properly, you could avoid like pushing people from one uh state to another. Uh also you guys don't really like you're not like monitoring the the state borders anywhere near like the way you monitor the actual border.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:37

What?

SPEAKER_07 1:10:38

There's only a few state borders where they check for zebra mussels and certain plants.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:46

Right. Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:54

So what is the status of Vietnam? We I mean pardon me, of uh of Thailand. Uh we know that there there was a you know an open market and has contracted. Uh where does it stand now in the legality of things there in the country?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:18

Oh I I read comment now. This medicine I don't use. But I give uh show you an example.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:34

I think it's medical only now, Etienne. It's effectively legal for medical use only. Re recreational cannabis has been heavily restricted since mid-2025. So to legally purchase cannabis flour, you generally need a prescription or a medical certificate from an authorized Thai practitioner.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:54

Yeah. And then the legal from GM.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:58

So if I have a prescription, such as say in the United States, I would still need to get a uh prescription or recommendation when I land in Thailand, yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:07

Yeah, it says if you're visiting Thailand, do not assume it's still the cannabis free for all it was in 2022 to 2024. Cannabis shops still exist, but many have transitioned to medical-only models. Tourists may need a medical consultation and certificate before purchasing cannabis flour.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:27

Well, that's a significant change.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:30

Yeah, it changed massively like uh in 2024 or whatever.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:35

Yeah, there's some groups that have licenses for it for export um that are exporting today. Um, but you know, there's just a handful of them. And most of those guys are taking over the um canopy that was just rack. So there's been a you know, indoor greenhouse, like there's a lot of cultivation.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:58

So not true in Thailand we can grow now from the beginning until now. The the law not shined.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:10

But the law changed again. Is that what you just said?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:14

We we don't change the law, but uh in the future they uh somebody won't change the law from the three year, four years ago. Somebody won't change, but now we we use the from the beginning until now the law. You can smoke and also you can glow, you know. But uh governments or somebody come to say uh about the news and people listen the news a lot and then they they change the idea. Also business something uh changed because uh they listen the the the news but but the the truth from the beginning I grew and I get license uh I from until now not not think you can smoke you can grow also you can take when you come here and you buy for me and uh for go to with the airplane you can bring and go to or travel in Thailand, you know.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:33

Oh, you can bring your herb in Thailand traveling, yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:37

Okay, but you don't need art, you know. Maybe you can bring with you only through the camp.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:46

Okay, interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:48

Yeah, it was sure a free-for-all when it sure first happened. I was like, wow, how long is this gonna last for? It was so much cali resin and flour in Thailand in the beginning. It was like, whoa.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:08

Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:10

With with his United Nation, uh his United Nation, it uh, you know, that was all the front for him to flip.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:16

All on air, too, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:20

Actually, you know what? When we do export out of Canada, depending on the country, like if it's going to the UK, it goes right on to British Airlines, man. British Airwaves.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:28

Kevin Sabet brought it for you, right, dude? He's the one who's bringing it up. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:36

Hit them up.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:38

Hey man, got any gummies?

SPEAKER_03 1:15:39

For those who are watching or aren't aware, Kevin Sabet is a professional liar out of the United States. And why we mentioned gummies, because he went into a hearing and he whipped out gummies saying that these gummies were available everywhere, and of course they were because you can buy them in a store. Um, but you know, it's just a a way that he tried to um use gummies to persuade people, but we laugh at him for the failed attempt because, of course, we have very sharp-eyed people always on him. So now you know the rest of the story and why we make fun of Kevin Sabet and Gummies. Yeah, gummies.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:20

I I love that he was in possession of them.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:26

Yes, do that. He's throwing lots of Hail Mary passes right now, and uh, we we actually uh for everybody now, we have officially changed his name to Kevin Elsibet for Kevin Loser or in court lacks standing, um, because he he tried to bring multiple times pharmaceutical companies to prove that they're gonna be harmed by Schedule Three, and the the courts are like, ha ha ha ha, get out of here. But you got to give the guy credit because he revived the same thing that got thrown out of court this past week, uh, which of course will be tossed out of court this week. But this is what happens when you're a prohibitionist and you spend money against cannabis uh to try to prove things are wrong and you keep failing. You have to go for your funders to continue to spend money to prove that you know your lies are truth when they are not. And I still think it's absolutely ironic. I don't know if we talked about this on a hash chart, but it's absolutely hilarious that Kevin Sabet, of course, he just had an initiative in Arizona to try to re-illeze cannabis, right? Make it illegal again. And he spent five million dollars on canvassers to gather signatures. And they could not gather enough signatures. Not only could they not get enough signatures, the lead proponent who was actually pushing the initiative in Arizona finally realized through his own research that the reason he started the initiative because he felt that you know cannabis was being marketed to children in the state of Arizona. But it turns out that he himself realized and even said in a press statement, you know, I started this initiative because you know marijuana was being, you know, or I thought marijuana was being, you know, advertised to children and kids, but it turns out not to be the case. So uh I'm gonna drop my initiative. Thanks. Bye. So that was just a couple of weeks ago in Arizona. That, you know, again, just so people are aware, Kevin Sabet was sitting on like nine million dollars in coffers, and he spent five million on not even getting enough signatures to get on the ballot. So um I want to continue to uh credit Kevin L. Sabet for his uh consistent ability to win by losing. He is winning so hard with his losing that I must congratulate him and once again state that we at the VAC put out the um uh the Passion for Ignorance and Unenlightenment Award, which is called the PU. And that is for the PU. Yes, the the the myth information that uh Kevin Sabet spreads with his lies. So just want to re-reiterate to people that we have to hoist these people up on their own uh sort of stool and put the Dunce cap on them for ourselves while we wear our Phrygian caps of liberty. So just wanted to see.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:46

What did he do with the other four million? Did he just put that in his pocket?

SPEAKER_03 1:19:51

No, uh well, he's well, no, he spent uh a couple of million in uh in uh Massachusetts failing. He spent a couple of million in um Maine, but you know, he's still got funders. Um and certainly he's profiting himself, probably he's the only guy profiting off of it. That's how him and Luke and you know Project Sam. Uh Project Sam, who are people who are not aware, is um his prohibitionist organization that goes around and spreads all kinds of lies and myth information uh around the world. And he shows up at the United Nations with side events. So we show up at those side events to challenge him and also to educate world leaders and dignitaries after the fact that you know his information is absolutely full of shit, and that you know, um he is there strictly to, as we say, Mark, make the money because there's no other anti-prohibitionist people out there making the kind of money or bilking the government, sucking up the federal dollars for him to go eat rubber chickens all around and talk about his lies and you know how marijuana is bad for you all, don't you know? It's bad. Stop it.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:11

What a what a bunch of suckers, too. And you know what? His uh his original partner in Sam was none other than Patrick Kennedy, right? Right? Patrick Kennedy from from the Kennedy family, right? Who's if you understand history, Joe Kennedy was a bootlegger, right? Right? He was a bootlegger.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:35

A very successful bootlegger. He wasn't just a bootlegger, he was a step above the bootlegger of the day.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:41

Yeah, who bought off politics. Without getting political, we can throw the change in the world. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:58

She's in Thailand.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:00

Yes, I see that.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:01

Don't shame the law in Thailand, but you have to share the law around the world. Free ganja all around the world, you know.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:11

I agree. I want a free ganja all around the world. I'm in absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:20

Are you gonna call your shots or are you just gonna shoot terribly? Dude, I've been sinking shit like a mofo. Are you kidding me? I know, but are you gonna call them or what?

SPEAKER_09 1:22:30

Well, I could, but I thought it would be a little bit uh a little bit much. Number 10 in the far right corner.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:38

Screwball on the side pocket. Oh, anybody. Hey Marcus, what are you are you in Denver? I am in Denver.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:49

Sweet. Doing doing the Denver thing, and we had a big party last night here called Terps and Tallow. And uh it was really fun. There was both.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:00

Does everybody know what tallow is? I know we all know what terps is, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:06

I know what tallow is. There was tallow. I'm not gonna lie. There was tallow. Yeah, people were people were tallowing down. Look at that. Did you indulge? Uh no, I don't eat tallow myself. But I did uh I did smoke a lot of ash. More than my fair share, in fact. Look at that, right by.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:32

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:43

What do you think of the Chris Dyer? This big boom box. That's cool. Pretty sick piece of art.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:56

It's like a stereo.

SPEAKER_11 1:23:58

Yeah, it's on the wall.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:00

It is hanging on the wall. 80's boom box. It's very big. Like it is, I think, 16 feet long. Yeah, it'd have to be a very big cassette to go in there, too. Yeah, well, we we make special uh cassettes for it.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:16

So so for you who are younger, cassettes were a real-to-reel thing that we used to uh listen to music on as opposed to discs or digitally. And uh it's really weird because people are reviving that. I see that people are really into tapes, people you know, people still collect eight-track tapes and stuff like that. So, you know, eight-track tapes, of course, were an old box that you had to literally flip back and forth to listen to, whereas a cassette tape you only had two sides. Bank bank side for Etienne. Cassette tapes, and depending on depending on you know who you listen to, sometimes the A side was better, sometimes the B side was better, you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:04

Those are even political tapes.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:07

And I also know people who only listen to the A side until you flipped it over. Wait, there's a B side?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:13

Oh my god, those were not tapers.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:16

No, no, and so the great thing about tapes is uh the Grateful Dead was one of the first people to allow you because you could record, you could take a magnet, rearrange the actual you know stuff on the tape and erase a tape, and then take that tape and go to a what I love that picture, the picture of this guy standing very intently in front of the Grateful Dead with an audio tape thing around his you know neck as he's oh I don't think that was at a dead show.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:48

Was it well no that's a widely circulated, widely circulated photo. But if you look at dead tapers were pros, man, they had those things on mic stands and underneath umbrellas in case it rained and yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:04

And I'll tell you the best thing was go talk in the taper section. Go like have a go have a conversation with your buddies in the taper section and see how that works out for you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:16

Uh the ultimate was to get the tape from the the deck on the the mixer on the table. That was the ultimate mix, right, Mark?

SPEAKER_05 1:26:23

Oh, yeah, when they handed out soundboards, everyone's around the code.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:26

Soundboard tapes are the best because the soundboard usually had an audio tape inside of it to record the show. So if you could get a that or a copy of that, that's as best because you you got the the the actual engineer audio engineering it so that it you get an even sound, which is always a challenge when listening live. Oh yeah. But you can also hear the musicianship at a whole other level off of the tape directly off of the mix, right? Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:05

Back in the day.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:08

Yeah, back in the day. Oh look, there's uh some marijuana growing here by the uh the washing machine.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:16

All right, that's a weird place to have it. Are they getting ready to wash it? Um, I don't think so. What do we got? A freak show only back here now.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:27

Wow, it's gotta be a hundred degrees out here. Got a little flowering freak show here. You don't see cannabis that looks like that every day.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:41

Hey Prempavi, what was your favorite cannabis or hash that you saw on your travels, or what were some of your favorite genetics that you saw?

SPEAKER_04 1:27:53

Oh, I have this yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:01

Oh jee kush dude that was awesome to hear that. Oh jee kush. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:08

And my renewesa.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:17

What was the second one? I missed that. Sorry.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:22

Meh mechon classi.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:24

Oh make home classic. Okay, yeah, that caught my eye as well.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:30

That caught my eye as well. Was it a very smooth smoke? What about it made it made you like it?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:38

She doesn't smoke. I don't smoke, but I smell. I like the smell.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:44

Like the scent, right.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:46

Is it a relaxing scent or um if I smoke, uh, I guess it I smoke, you know. For medicine. Yes, some sometimes I uh smoke for make people enjoy, but I don't smoke for Well, when they enjoy that's medicine as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:23

It's the medicine of laughter and enjoyment.

SPEAKER_11 1:29:27

The thing the government will not ever probably soon figure out. That's okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:38

Last time, last time I uh I made pizza my pizza get um has from my hand and I get um really strong and I cannot I cannot move and I I lay down on the floor and just left, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:00

We know it well, you know we do this on purpose. We do this on purpose, it's true. It's good. So you got to meet uh Aryan and Strain Hunters and uh Dust, Dust Strain Hunter I saw was with you guys. How was that? Where was that? Was that in Thailand as well?

SPEAKER_04 1:30:23

Yes, we uh I done him come here and make um movie in Thailand. I go with uh his group everything uh really good night. Uh coven him uh really nice, you know, uh like uh him fun sometime and speak with uh people Thailand and funny.

SPEAKER_11 1:30:54

Awesome. That's nice, they're doing good things there, they seem to have uh some success. One more bong rib.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:10

Also he took his son from with him. Oh cool him him I think he learned with him at the handle uh like uh a young young boy, you know. Yeah, really nice.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:36

I wish my son wanted to learn about ganja. I got him a great job and he didn't want to do it so badly that he went and got a job at Chipotle. Like, dude, he's gonna learn. That's not gonna be fun.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:56

And him him can prune and protect the land race from Thailand or another country also A lot of work to be done with this plant.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:20

It'd be very interesting to see it where it really all lands.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:26

Who lost Colin?

SPEAKER_02 1:32:33

Oh I'm trying to smoke non-stop through this episode.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:38

Why why you can't forte uh the land list? Because uh now uh people want to make bisni and they grow also uh kancha from California or another country and everything mix when you make uh you grow in your greenhouse or your farm everything mix and then you lost the genetic land list. Then for poke um our landless you you can give and then I make uh kancha for support um farmer. Don't don't go only kancha from phalang or california or another country.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:31

Oh don't grow kanja from Falang. Don't don't don't go only for make bisni, but you just take um la list from our Thailand or another country, something it is a wild thing how with plants we want to preserve the genetic lineage, but if you said that with people, you would be like, whoa, what? Like, what did you just say? But with plants, it's like, well, we want to make sure that people don't come from other countries and and read with our plants and lower the quality and the caliber of our plants. And it's true, I totally understand it. Although we can have both, obviously, there's gonna be cool Cali cultivars that do get mixed with Thai genetics, but yeah, there's a real importance of preserving those genetics, those initial sort of, and and I don't even pretend to know how many are truly beyond preservation already. They may just be what we call narrowleaf drug cultivars or sativas, they might not fit into the actual category of land race. I know there's semantics of that. If people are interacting and touching the plant and the seeds, it kind of affects the land race now. A person's involved. And so the minute we get involved, we um we affect things greatly. I saw it in Jamaica. I saw Jamaica growing the most beautiful sativas in the 90s, and by 2005, you know, these auto-flowering, small little spike plants that they could grow in uh like bogs and stuff rather than climb way up the mountain. They were just smaller, harder to find, easier to plant, easier to harvest, but it really altered um, you know, the previous genetic lineage, which almost certainly came from from India, but still, yeah, there's a value on uh trying to preserve these land-race genetics, um, but also you know, using those land-race genetics to create to create new things. I suspect we are not done with seeing what cannabis can do. I had a jar of hash, I think I finished it. Actually, I gave it all away yesterday. It was papaya, and it was incredible. It was a super fruity papaya, super sweet, no rotten fruit, no, you know, anything off. And wow, if people that even didn't smoke would smell it, and they were just like, that smells exactly like papaya. Um, which is incredible that a plant can produce this like almost identical, you know, fruit terpene profile that uh just truly gets your mouth watering. It's pretty awesome. Well, hopefully you guys preserve as much as you can, and hopefully, you know, more importantly as well, you use those preserved genetics uh to create new and wonderful genetics for Thailand. I I look forward to the day uh where Thailand can uh yeah, send out its flour and its hash, you know, all around the world for people to enjoy.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:51

I want to carry Thai cannabis in my store. True Thai stick, true, yeah, this Mekong, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:00

Yeah, we went through her website earlier on camera, uh, Etienne. You should go check it out because there's a lot, she's got a lot of nice flowers. She held up pearls earlier that were like one-tenth the thickness of one of her fingers. Like she held it up in front of her hand, and it was just this the most wispy pearls I've ever seen in my life. And uh my mouth did water a little bit, I'm not gonna lie. A poquito.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:28

Outstanding.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:29

What are you puffing on right now? I'm puffing on, I believe it's called Purple Drank. I'm puffing on that purple drank from the Oaky Skunk Boys who won Legends of Hash in LA a couple years ago. So I got that Oklahoma goodness. Uh, I got some from my partners 111. He runs my brand here in um in Colorado. He's got some full mount here. It's really nice. And I got some lemon head uh live hash rosin from the Bubble Man brand. This is really lovely.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:11

Really nice.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:12

Yeah, I have so much at 10. Oh, I have Oishi. This Oishi is is really quite lovely. Shout out to Dread Smokes Weed for producing that. And uh yeah, I was in Chicago a couple of days uh for the first time in my life, which was pretty darn fun. I don't know if I ended up uh I don't think I've done a hash church since I was in Chicago. So I I guess I I don't even think any of the pictures have transferred yet, actually. Sync now. There we go. I'm gonna sync now. Resume syncing. Here we go. We're gonna resume syncing. Once these pictures show up, uh I'll share some pictures from the Redemption Botanical party that we threw. That was with uh Dr. Greenthum and Chichin Chong and DNA genetics and beesle extracts and mile high melts and preferred and bubble man brand. Uh last but certainly not least, it was great. They just rented out this beautiful place. They hired Honeycomb. I don't know if you guys are familiar with Honeycomb, the DJ, but he does all sorts, he's got a couple million followers online, and he's just got like a great, he just he just creates music, you know, like and and is a really great DJ. So that was really fun and nice. And uh shout out to Alexis and her brothers, uh, who were just the most spectacularly stoked and hyped people that I have ever met in the cannabis industry. They were just so kind and so, you know, they they had bought stuff from all over just to show up to have my product. And at this event, because my brand is new in Chicago, I didn't really have product. I didn't bring t-shirts, I didn't bring any merch because I just didn't want, you know, I'm not I don't want to have a problem at the border. And so I had an empty booth. And uh man, my empty booth was packed all night long. It was absolutely amazing. These two girls had backpacks with LED lights and growing cannabis plants inside their backpack. So hopefully um the photos will sink. Oh, look at that. I think they already sinked. So I can let's start it off with her uh back the backpack girls. I think that's like a good spot to start it off. There they are. This is great. Look at this. How cool is this? I mean, I just love what people are doing out there.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:35

Okay, nice terrarium backpacks. So they're putting plants. I fucking love it, dude.

SPEAKER_10 1:40:46

And little like is that not awesome?

SPEAKER_02 1:40:50

These chicks were so cool, they were just super cool uh women, uh, and God bless them really for showing up and doing it up. So I'm gonna go back and we'll start with really my first like this was me driving into Chicago, and this was right out of a movie for me, you know, because I was like, I haven't been to Chicago. Um Sears Tower and all the big buildings.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:16

Go up in the Sears Tower if you can. I did that, it's fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:19

There it is, right there, the Sears Tower. Um, yeah, so just you know, rolling in, taking some pictures of the buildings. Uh obviously they were uh they were cool. Uh Chicago has its own attitude, even just like pulling in, there's Dredd, even just pulling in to Chicago and the people and the way they were driving and coming through the exits. So Dredd is uh an amazing grower. He's always in chat on Sundays. He's giving he gives out five memberships every weekend, and he's the grow for Scott from Rare Dankness, and he grew for Tony and Ernie at River Rock, and he grew for DNA genetics, and now he's growing for Marshall and the whole team at Redemption Botanicals. Uh oh, shout out to Professor Pizza, dude. Holy shit, this guy made good pizza. This is the entrance to Chris's gallery, the made gallery, and it is spectacular. Just a wonderful, absolutely killer vibe. Chris has uh created a really nice environment. This is Mr. Pizza Tony. He's cracking open a cheese there. Uh, and then he's also got a Detroit style uh pepperoni that uh Dred had ordered. Night this that thing is like an inch and a half thick, and that that's Tony right there. So shout out to Mr. Pizza. And then I just wanted to get a lot of photos of the art that he had in the gallery. He had some really, really cool art in this gallery. And uh yeah, happy to share it on hash terrest. Shout out to Chris, such a good dude. Shout out to Nate Dizzle uh and Joe P for this.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:53

And Joe P there, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:56

Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:58

Yeah, I have a Joe P.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:59

Oh, look at those uh lamps from um yeah, the lava lamps one had just sold. Bluegrass there was another one right here. That's bluegrass glass, yeah. Dude, back to this though. Joe Prince.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:16

Look at that. Oh, I love the stem work too. Oh, Joe P. I have one of his pieces at collab. Yeah, his shit's fucking on point. Oh, that honeycomb on the tip on the on the mouthpiece. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:30

Yeah, I love Dizzle, dude. Like Dizzles. All these are Dizzles, these are all Swiss perks. Beautiful. Yeah, really good job.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:38

Oh, and then that's a metal covered one. That's a cold worked one, right? Yes, this one right here. Yeah, uh, what's his name? Uh looks like electroforming or something. Yeah, that's what he does. I can't think of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:53

And this is another, these are also done by him. Yeah, these two with the electroforming. Yep. But I literally took like I think a hundred pictures of glass. The the the glass that he has in this case is exceptional. It truly is just incredible, top quality. Don't shoot.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:18

Hands up, that's hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:22

That looks like pretty beautiful. Just just nice stuff. Like this is absolutely damn.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:29

Look at that skull piece for the back.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:31

I know, dude. I'm glad you can't.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:33

Dude, that is sick.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:35

I'm glad you can't.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:36

It almost looks like Contrabasso.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:39

Yeah, it does actually.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:42

An AFK. Wow. Wow. Like, are you kidding me, dude? I'm surprised that's still in the gallery right now. That's gonna be gone once that movie comes out. Yeah, I think all of these will. Nice.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:05

Oh, the fucking bounty hunter. No, this one's like, oh, isn't he the general something? Or what is it?

SPEAKER_03 1:45:13

He's uh he's the bounty hunter on uh on Boba Fett.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:17

Oh, right, on Boba Fett. Look at how sick that is, dude. I love this piece, and it's super weird.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:23

That's a little like a colorful nug.

SPEAKER_11 1:45:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:29

Nice whacking wavy flying tube.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:33

Uh doesn't he literally look like he's moving?

SPEAKER_03 1:45:38

Totally, dude. With the matching red ball? Nope. Wow, nice slop. Damn. Oh, what's his face out of Japan with those those uh marble work? Wow. Dude, yeah, that's six fucking cups.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:01

Just outrageous. You see the marble on this one?

SPEAKER_03 1:46:08

Oh yeah. Slang. Gong. Gong, gong, gong with the acid.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:16

Yeah, dude. Those marbles. I remember when his marbles sold for like 10 grand a marble. Oxygen tank. And I love glass art. So nice. Incredible. That was a super trippy piece. I couldn't even I was like, I just want to photograph this thing. It looks like a piece of coral. Dude, the whole bang, the whole gang is there.

SPEAKER_11 1:46:47

Teenage mutant. Oh yeah, here we go.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:49

Now we're like getting into like we're getting into the uh the uh elite, the lead lead.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:56

Yeah, who there the center of it all here. Yeah, there's banjo by oh, there's the big banjo.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:08

Yeah, surrounded by like like four little ones that are like equally as impressive as a big thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:13

Equally as badass, but that is an epic piece there. He spent a long time on that. I watched him do that on IG, man. That's a bad piece. That's badass. That's so sick. Holy smokes, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:27

Can you imagine? Yeah, what are you doing today? Ah, I'm gonna make some glass. Oh, yeah, what are you thinking? I don't know. I'll see what comes to me when uh when I start making it.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:40

Wow, that's so cool, dude. Gorgeous. Yeah, tens of thousands of dollars. Absolutely, hundreds of thousands of dollars.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:50

You wanna go see that one?

SPEAKER_03 1:47:51

Look at that by Derby.

SPEAKER_11 1:47:53

The Derby, yeah. Of course. Yeah, super, super spectacular stuff. Little Mario action. There it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:11

That was a little green sift coming in afterwards. So yeah, that was the gallery in a nutshell. He also, actually, I didn't even finish, but that was that was the majority of that. And uh I wanted to show these guys as well because they were just such awesome people. Ed is um one of our interns uh at uh here at Hash Church. Ed helps us out with computer stuff and ripping videos, and so he him and his friends were all on mushrooms. This is Ed right here, and then his two buddies, and then this is Alexis and her two brothers and Sophia, and then this homie who grew living soil, really nice material. They call him Ghost, and he kind of does look like a ghost behind us. Doesn't he look like he's almost not really there? This dude right in the middle, like he's just a cardboard picture. I was laughing about that, but shout out to these guys. This was the event in um oh in uh Chicago. This was like the three different kinds. This was just the the booths, it was really nice mile high melts across from us at home. It was super cool. Oh, Stephen Philpot Jr., dude, a hash church alumni. Like he just didn't even tell me, and he just basically popped up uh and came and saw me.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:32

Uh so that was he just surfaces when needs to, and then whoop.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:38

Dude, it was awesome. And these guys had my brick hash, they had my rosin, they had all sorts of products that they had grabbed uh from uh from Michigan, actually, because we're not quite in the uh in that market. But there's the backpacks again, full circle, mile high, diesel extracts, DNA genetics, preferred, and bubble manbring. It was nice to be a part of uh the event. They're Chicago's uh Illinois is pretty cool, uh, and they've got an absolute stellar, incredible team, really nice grow, um, beautiful plants, as always, from Dread, and uh I'm excited to uh do more work and go to Illinois. I love visiting places that I've never been to before. Uh, you know, pre I was not allowed in America for almost 30 years, and now I'm allowed in America, so yeah, it's pretty exciting for me, not gonna lie. Another empty jar. Let's fit it, let's finish it here, people. Is anyone else puffing with me today?

SPEAKER_03 1:50:44

Am I just puffing alone? Um joining it this whole time, but once this joint's done, I will be more than happy to imbibe on the and you're gonna dip? Yeah, dip in.

SPEAKER_10 1:50:57

Stop dipping into some good old Rosie.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:01

All right. Yeah, so I'm gonna rent a motorcycle today, and then I'm gonna get on it, and I'm gonna drive to Longmont, where there's this like extract cup happening today. So I will probably finish hash church a little early today, earlier than usual, just so I can make sure to uh get all that sort of taken care of and sorted out. I wasn't sure I was gonna make it this morning after staying up till four in the morning. That's late for me.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:31

If you're gonna be in Longmont and you got a motorcycle and you don't go up the big Thompson Canyon, you're blowing your ticket, you should definitely head up to Netherland and go up, go up in the in the mountains if you can.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:44

Well, funny enough, Dr. Mark, I have a friend that lives up there, minor melts, and he wants me to do the whole loop. So, what I might do today is just go to this event. But what I might do is tomorrow, once I'm done my meetings, uh, or early in the morning, do that exact loop that you're talking about.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:03

Oh, it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_09 1:52:05

Yeah, he said he was like, dude, it's literally the quintessential like motorcycle ride. Like you gotta do it.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:14

Yeah, I mean, if you're if you're up in Estes Park and you got even a little more time to go up on Trail Ridge Road, it's I think it's the highest road in in Colorado. It might be the highest road in Colorado, might be the highest road in the states.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:29

So that's the highest I can get in Colorado.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:32

Yeah, well, physically in terms of above sea level, yeah. I think that is as high as you can get. Trail Ridge Road is actually beautiful, and I I yeah, I think it closes part of the year, but it's open now, and yeah, you should definitely go up there. You could see the continent, you're right on top of the continental divide. You know, if you piss down one side of the mountain, it'll go in the Pacific. You piss down the other side, it goes in the Atlantic, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:53:01

There's that. Oh wow. I just got invited fly fishing on a 16-foot gunner raft or rubber raft. Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:12

Those must be some pretty big flies if you're fly fishing.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:16

Yeah. Dude, I want to go catch some rainbow trout. Actually, Matt Robertson invited me to go shooting, uh, so I might go do that on my hell yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:28

Do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:30

I don't I've not shot many guns in my whole life at Tan. Like it's very like you could count them on one hand.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:37

Uh, it's okay. I grew up with them growing up in Louisiana. I was taught to shoot at the age of nine. I went through my NRA training at the age of nine, where they actually go out and you shoot a shotgun and all kinds of other stuff. And they're like, okay, you can shoot. Well, yeah, yeah. That's what they do you do in the south, is there's really not much due, and there was no television. So, you know, we shoot everything and fry it and eat it. So, you know, you have to learn how to do the first part early. So, yeah. Yeah, there wasn't squirrels, didn't stand a chance once I came of age, but you know, I ate everything I killed, except in war. You don't do that. That's I don't recommend that. No.

SPEAKER_11 1:54:23

Yes, don't do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:25

Well, I finally killed my Puffco, which is impressive because I think I took at least 10 or 15 dabs so far and didn't charge it from last night. Um, so I've got it plugged in and I am feeling a little jonesed out. I am feeling like I need my dabs, but uh I'll be okay. And I'll just survive.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:44

The great thing it does a quick it does a quick uh set, so you'll be able to be dabbing in a minute. Dabs.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:52

Hey Marcus, just because you've uh you haven't been to Colorado or Denver too much, do you find the texture of hash different in such a dry environment?

SPEAKER_02 1:55:03

I definitely found making traditional hash here very different. Um the hash, not so much. The rosin's wet and moist, and this rosin stayed the same as it was, you know, where I got it from where it is now. Um so not really. And I I definitely have a strong feeling that that's tied into popping that cork on the unbound or the bound water. You you pop that cork and start removing cellular water, and uh it just seems to dry the shit out of everything. But there is a good mature hash crowd here who understands cold supply chain. You know, people are bringing like little coolers and fridges and ice packs, and so you know, when you when you preserve the hash, you don't really see it change much. And most of the hash that's here, at least not from the uh I'll be interested to see how what how differently the aged hash ages because sifting here was different. I found it very different. I was like, wow, I have to like shift a little bit of how I'm doing this, um, because the the material was just reacting differently. It was so, so like dry here is dry. Like it, you know, the Pacific Northwest where I live is such a high percentage of moisture. It's not a jungle like where Pre is, but it's certainly I do live in a village. I will say that. I heard you talking about your village there in Thailand, and I also live in a village in Canada, so we're both villagers. How about that? From the village. She's like, Everyone lives from in a village here. I'm like, yes, but not in North America. It's rare to live in a village when you're from North America. Caleb's back, and he comes back with a bong in his mouth. Like, how about that? He's just like, I'm gonna continue to take this bong, but I got knocked off hash church, so I'll like won't stop taking the bong rip, but I'll I'll get back onto Hash Church. I love it. Are you vaporizing? It doesn't look like much smoke's going through that thing. I feel the peer pressure. I feel the peer pressure. Oh, there you are. There you are. Oh, Caleb's bounced again. There he is. Oh my goodness. How did you come back that fast? Fast fingers. Did you turn off your camera? Is that what happened? Okay, so I have it set that when you turn off your camera, your whole box disappears. Yeah, you go off the screen, which is fine. I think I like that more than just having empty screens, you know. Although Collins is tricky. I'm about to say, however, Colin is showing us all how it's done. Because, yeah, exactly. He's got his uh he's got his green screen on. That's hilarious. So, what what is in the future for prempave farms? What what are you guys looking for in the future? You're gonna keep developing new cultivars, you want to get more patience. What what are you looking to do in the future?

SPEAKER_09 1:58:16

In the future, yeah, in the future.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:21

I try to do um make um farm. I wanna do like uh uh greenhouse, not not green house for you, but uh for teaming room for teaming and dry room something like that. Teach people uh in my area. She uncle this uh for kancha uh Thailand and teach them how to drive and keep Kancha we could keep uh also uh make um hash or teach them understand about kanja how to make business or keep uh genetic talent.

SPEAKER_11 1:59:23

Okay sounds pretty good. Good to have a vision for the future. Okay, sorry guys, just get a couple messages.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:42

Um please I have a forum.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:48

Oh yeah, yeah, share your forum.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:51

Yes, you uh you uh everybody can go to my forum and enjoy and share your experience and technique. You grow kancha, everything about gancha, make our uh um community strong, you know. Yes, absolutely allowable.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:18

We'll have to share that in the in the chat room to let everyone know where they can uh be passionate.

SPEAKER_11 2:00:30

I hope you are, you can uh maybe share her website there.

SPEAKER_05 2:00:37

He already has he already has.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:41

Of course he has you know can chat out of you.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:02

I support your mission. I support your mission. So let's see if bingo is able to figure that out and is sharing it in the chat room right now, because that's what I'd like to find out. Are you sharing it, bingo? I think he is. I think he is. Yes, source prem of if arms. Oh, is sharing a Google share document from you. Uh high booth full melt vibes your way, dude. Ask her how she dries in stores, please. Oh, yeah. How do you dry and store your cannabis?

SPEAKER_04 2:01:42

My stove. I have one.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:45

No, no, no, not store. How do you dry? So when it's fresh and you have to get it to cure, so how do you dry it? And then where do you put it afterwards? Where do you place the ganja to keep it safe and make sure that it doesn't uh you know get ruined or anything?

SPEAKER_04 2:02:02

Now I I have uh two one room and one earth house. I I dry also there, and also this room, air conditioned room and dry, and when I trimming finished, I put in the um air conditioned room and keep inside the box. You know.

SPEAKER_11 2:02:26

Okay, air conditioned room, so you can control the environment a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:34

Also, I have one one fish um for creep can show a long long time.

SPEAKER_09 2:02:42

One what pent a fridge, okay? Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:56

It's great that the uh that everyone can share this knowledge, and no matter how like where you are in your cannabis journey, it's amazing to look to learn about this stuff and to just get into it. And I I can only imagine from your perspective of like living in Thailand your whole life and then just starting to grow herb next to your food and being able to supply you know that herb uh to friends and family is uh it's very cool. It certainly did not used to be like that for a very long time. So pretty darn. You know, I get that it's not as free and open as it was, but that's great that you still have that medical and uh the ability to to get this this work done in Thailand. I I think it's pretty important for Asia to have at least one awesome spot that all the surrounding countries can go and and and enjoy cannabis. Cool.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:55

Open why you say not open.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:00

Uh what did I oh, I said not open in the sense of like when it was first there, it was a free-for-all. Thailand came out the gates in the most incredible fashion. People had stores, people were selling rosin and concentrates, and now they've pulled that back, and it's more strict and it's more medical only. There's not a recreational program there, and I think a lot less people are trying to smuggle product in from California to sell to tourists.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:33

They're trying, but not yes, you know.

SPEAKER_09 2:04:38

Absolutely. Welcome back, Colin.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:44

Do you want to know your hack, Colin?

SPEAKER_06 2:04:46

What's that?

SPEAKER_02 2:04:48

When when Caleb turns his camera off, he he disappears. But when you turn your when you leave your camera, oh yeah, that's it. He's not that's thing. See, Caleb could have easily gotten up and left his camera, Etienne. It's that he turned it off. That's what makes him disappear. Collins would do the same thing. We're just stoned over here, Colin. Don't worry about us.

SPEAKER_06 2:05:11

Paul and Calmer in the house, ladies and gentlemen. Cheers, everybody. I hope you're having a fantastic Sunday. I'm dude, a lot of troubleshooter. Oh so uh Thailand, man. I'll be down there at the end of this month. You were saying that. Yeah, I'm gonna be doing a bunch of stuff down there over the next year. Plus, so I'm excited. So I'd love to meet you at some point. Um check it out. Check your genetics out, that'd be fun. Learn about what you guys do. Yep. That'd be pretty cool.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:53

I'm gonna see you next week, isn't that right?

SPEAKER_06 2:05:56

Yeah, actually, I was just on uh I gotta get a passport because I don't have uh my IDs are all messed up. Where are you going? Where are you guys going? Uh, we're gonna meet. Canmed.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:11

Let's oh, you need a passport for that?

SPEAKER_06 2:06:15

Well, my real ID is out. I don't have one, and it's very difficult to get a real ID quickly. And it seems like the passport's probably the fastest way. So really I know, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:06:33

Well, because they offer they offer like you know, fast delivery. Although I will say the fastest you usually in Canada that you can get from a passport, uh, is you have to have a plane take it out of the country and then they'll rush it for you.

SPEAKER_05 2:06:49

Yeah, at a cost of like $700, you know.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:53

Yeah, or even a thousand. Like, I'm looking at that's why I had the pop off for a minute. I was looking, I was just like looking at it all, I was like, oh my gosh, this is insane.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:02

So um just renewed my passport, and fortunately, there is no picture of you know who in there, just a picture of me.

unknown 2:07:14

Nice.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:14

Who else would be in my passport? Supposedly, he was gonna put his picture in passports, and that's not happening.

SPEAKER_06 2:07:21

Oh, yeah. I'm good with with Washington up in there, you know.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:28

Is that who's in your passport?

SPEAKER_06 2:07:30

I have actually have no idea. I'm just making a joke. Oh, yeah, yeah. I was trying to think about some emblems, you know.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:36

I think ours just have back, yeah. I think yours is just like uh the stars and stripes or something, isn't it? In the background of each page.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:44

Yeah. I'll show you in a second. Hold on.

SPEAKER_06 2:07:47

Yeah, mine's not too far away either, but um uh but yeah, no, I'm getting mine. I gotta get it all redone, man. It's a whole deal. Really? Yeah, it's like that's why I had to I was pulled away for a minute because I uh you're not supposed to let it uh expire. That's the key. That's the truth, right there, man. That is really the truth. You let it expire, it's a world of hurt because that's you have to go back in and well, okay.

SPEAKER_05 2:08:16

So mine had expired. Mine had expired, Colin, but was within a and within a year, you know.

SPEAKER_09 2:08:23

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 2:08:24

Right, like extra fee or extra penalty. But yeah, so there's there's this guy on the front cover or the inside of the front cover. Let's see if we can get it on.

SPEAKER_06 2:08:36

You see that very colonial. Look at this guy.

SPEAKER_05 2:08:39

So yeah, it is very colonial. No picture of you know who there, and just the eagle and the whatever here, and then yeah, then the next page is your picture. That's you, you know. And then yeah, there's no like there's there's a boat here, you know. You could see the ship here, it's kind of cool looking. And here's you know, the Washington Monument, or what is that called? Yeah, this is Mount Rushmore, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:09:06

Mount Rushmore, that's right. Oh, right. Oh, I know, just a stupid Canadian.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:12

This I believe is Grand Teton's, maybe. I don't know. So they have pictures of American here, which is kind of cool, right? Right, here's some oxen in a field with a couple people. Oh, yeah, some wheat, some wheat, some steers. Here's like some Artemis shot over the moon.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:37

So and then when you put under a put put that under a black light, other things pop up.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:43

Yeah, Lady Liberty yourself. But uh, yeah, no uh I have one idea.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:54

We have to make a passport for gun cannabis. Have no body.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:04

Yeah, those of us in the cannabis world should be allowed to travel wherever we want to on planet earth. We should just have a a big cannabis leaf inside our thing. It's like, okay, yeah, come on in.

SPEAKER_01 2:10:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:10:21

We do need a cannabis. Uh I I I mean, actually, Marcus, you kind of have a version of that, right?

SPEAKER_11 2:10:28

You have uh kind of a version of the a version of what?

SPEAKER_06 2:10:35

Uh uh not like a passport, but you have a a certificate to be able to carry uh at least I remember you telling me at one point, and correct me if I'm wrong, you had you were able to carry X amount of grams on you at a time, but you had a card to prove that in Canada. Is that how it works?

SPEAKER_02 2:10:54

Oh yeah, Canada's mellow, they don't care, but yeah, I'm allowed to have I used to be allowed to have 600 grams, now it's 150 for medical, and anyone I think in the country can have uh um can have 28 grams. So pretty much I I don't smoke so much that I need 28 grams uh wherever I go.

SPEAKER_06 2:11:17

Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:18

Like I if I have like five or six or even ten grams, that's plenty.

SPEAKER_09 2:11:25

That is plenty. I won't lie. I really want my Puffco to work.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:38

I need to charge it up. Well no, I killed it. I s I fucking smoked it like 20 times in a row and absolutely destroyed it. Killed the battery, so now it's uh trying to charge up here. Is it still flashing red? Yeah, but it's because it doesn't have a battery. It needs some electrons, dude. Exactly. It's in desperate need of some.

SPEAKER_09 2:12:12

Look, I'm all paired up.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:19

Okay. Well, I tried. I wanted to smoke the entire time through hash church. I was gonna do it too. I tell ya, I could have done I could smoke for four hours straight, no problem right now. Although I don't think I'll go for four hours today. I'm either gonna call it at 12.30 in about 20 uh minutes or so, 19 minutes, I think is likely, or maybe we jump into some super exciting conversation and go till 1 p.m. my time. But I definitely have to stop at least an hour earlier today because I got shit.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:54

No, you need to maximize your time in the wonderful state of Colorado, not by being on some podcast, but by being outdoors on that motorcycle.

SPEAKER_06 2:13:03

We're gonna we're calling it in 20 minutes for Marcus. We're gonna tell him we're gonna do it, we're gonna let him get on his motorcycle.

SPEAKER_05 2:13:09

And then let him take some photos from up the top of Trail Ridge Road.

SPEAKER_06 2:13:13

Yeah. Because I mean you'll have many times that you're gonna do this, but it's it's pretty epic. You should try you should ride up like all the way up to all the way up to rabbit ears, man. That'd be cool. Like go to the Great Divide. Go up there.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:32

Dude, I'm like the other thing is I don't really have all proper gear and stuff, and I don't uh so it probably won't be going on the most. Yeah, exactly, dude. I'm trusting you back next month.

SPEAKER_06 2:13:42

I think we're doing a 7-10 party up here, so well I want to come out and meet you out there sometime, just like link up and hang, it'd be fun.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:50

You should, man. It is quite fun.

SPEAKER_06 2:13:54

We have some family out in Denver, too, so you can bring the bring the whole crew.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:00

Well, wait, what's the last time you're in Farnum, Mark?

SPEAKER_02 2:14:04

I'm not too sure. We're waiting on the provinces to accept our applications for products, and um as that comes in, I'm gonna have to go out there and set up uh commercial SOPs and production SOPs. Because we just did RD ones, and so it could be August, you know, maybe September, we'll see. I'll be back again. Even better. Yeah, exactly. And then this time I just I gotta I gotta come up with a whole extra day just to be able to come up um and drive over. I haven't driven over the border yet in a car. I did it on a bus in Detroit a couple like a month ago or three weeks ago. I I took the bus from Windsor down to uh underneath the water there and into the tunnel, as they call it. The tunnel crossing. I made it happen. I'm just out here experiencing America, you know? Just experiencing America.

SPEAKER_10 2:15:17

Oh, that'd be great.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:27

No, how's it going? Um good, good. Uh my name is Lorenzo. Nice to meet you. Okay. So many, so many words, so many words uh are slow to come, and so not easy for her for her to express uh everything she wants to say. So I would like to make a little bit of the resume of what I felt she wanted to say, but she missed it. And yeah, I will take on me because she's me speaking, so let's see, but I collaborate with her. So uh the all the work she we are doing about the the first ganja cup and the forum. Um well basically have one one main goal that is the to uh free the ganja all around the world. Um free all the prisoners, the same is happening in Thailand because when we say the free the ganja and free the prisoner until four years ago it was something like a dream. But now Thailand is the example that is possible. And uh even if the ganja is freed, the prisoner releases immediately without any any restriction, just everything freed, the prisoner, and no rules. The ganja in Thailand was not legalized, it was removed from the narcotic list, and not only the ganja, all the plant and mushrooms that are listed in the yellow list. The health minister of Thailand removed from the list. And now we know that after four years in an entire country that this did this experiment, nothing bad is happening to society. There is no reason for the rest of the world to keep the plant uh illegals and to keep the prisoners uh related to cannabis in the jail. We are speaking about thousands, thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of people in the world, young people that is there for 10, 20, 30 years, and and every day they just hope that somebody outside does something to free them. And uh they they if you they hope they pray the Pope can die or something like this just to be freed. But but really it's up to us that uh we are outside to free them because from the inside it's very hard. They need the help from who is free, and that is us, until we are free, because you never know with this kind of uh uh mentality of uh to manage society the way we are living right now. We can go to jail every every day, even if we are completely innocent. It's not you go to the jail because you make a crime. It doesn't work like this. In the jail is like a lottery. And if you are from a poor uh environment or you don't have a family or some or you are weak, you go to the jail more easy. So we need to release them. How can we do it? I think we need to bring the Thai examples to the world more strongly than what is happening now. Before Thailand goes back, because Thailand is still free, don't listen to the news, don't listen to what they say that Thailand wants to change. Thailand is under pressure because the world is not following. So, of course, if nobody will follow at the at the point, it's a small nation, what they can do alone. We need the world to follow Thailand and and do the same. Free the ganja, free the prisoners immediately, and not only the ganja, all the herbs, all the plant, all the there is a war against nature. We have this pharmaceutic company, they are making a disaster of the world. We have the plastic pollution everywhere, the world is dying. And is it's all a fucking disaster. For what? After 50 years of prohibitionism, for what they they continue to say that the plants are dangerous for the health of the people. No, it's not true. And uh the people are so brainwashed that is scared, but we have the example of Thailand. So in order to do that, we uh also because of some coincidence, we created this event that is the first Ganja Cup that was initially uh begin not because uh of such higher goals, but was have begun just to um support the local small farmers neighborhood that they they produce the local landresis to have to find the market. Because what you were telling uh before about the the Thai shops selling the Kali illegal Kalibads is true. The first year when the legalized in Thailand they did one day by another, and it was no crop, so all the shops they start to sell some uh of the ex-black market indoors, and the but the most of the product was coming illegally from California. But after one year, what is happening that the the real product from Thailand is arrived, but the shops they was not buying because they the the the the customer they was not ready, they they the people did not recognize the outdoor ganja anymore after 50 years of uh prohibitionism. That everybody now thinks that the good ganja is the indoor, but the indoor is not the good ganja, sorry. Maybe it looks it it doesn't even look like ganja if you know the ganja, because the ganja naturally in the sun it doesn't grow that way. So you can have a niche of people that prefer the the indoor ganja the same as the the we have the bodybuilders. Some people like to be bodybuilders, but the bodybuilder doesn't have the natural body of a human person, normal. He's a bodybuilder, is okay. I'm not against the bodybuilder, I'm not against the indoor, but the true ganja is not like that. The true ganja has is not that compact. So before prohibitionism was normal, the people recognize the outdoor ganja. It was actually the opposite. When the indoor was presented, it was mostly discarded, the people didn't like it because it was strange, it was not recognized. So we have to do that work of education again to teach everybody how looks the ganja outdoor. But why is so important? Because the ganja outdoor it grows alone. The ganja, when we said ganja free, is true. The ganja is so easy to grow outdoor that we can have uh the price drop down, the value become almost zero. Everybody can have ganja accessible and easy, and later, of course, the one that they make a little bit more premium product will continue to make good money, like uh in and in is logic to be. And we need the ganja completely freed, not only because of the smoking or the medicine. We need because we need to make the petrol, we need to make the the protein for the food, with the the ganja, with the papers, the the the plastics, everything. We need to free them fast because the world is dying. And I think it's not uh only this the small people like maybe uh I am me or or this is something that I think even in higher level they know, and something is moving, is moving, but the the the the oil petrol they they they struggle it, they don't want to let it go. But but they have to, they have to because also they everything will oh unless we we really have the dream that uh before we die we will live like Mad Max. But but why we we need to live in a situation like Mad Max when we can have the Eden and have uh full of resources. Why we are wasting all the resources, you know. So the idea is to create an alliance of people who understand this and is against the borders. Why we need the borders in in 2026? We have the internet, we don't need anymore the nations. The nation they have to do small jobs like the hospital, the schools, give free education for everybody. But we don't need any more the coercive nation with the borders, and this the ganja people can understand because when you smoke the ganja, this is the message you get from the plant. And uh okay, somebody is distracted or don't want to see it, but the truth uh that all of us that have smoked ganja, we know that is the message of the plant. There is no border, we are one family. Um, why we kill the animal without uh reason? You was why we go hunting if we don't need the food, why we keep the animal in the cage? Why we have the cages? Why why ganja is uh is is illegal one herb and the the weapons are legal? It's because of demonic intelligence. Yes, but this this this is happened until now. We we want to die with this, or we want to try before we die to see something different. That is the the the question that I make every day myself. I want to die with this fucking shit world that I I complain with my parents that did they did nothing, they was not able to change it. I want also not be able to change, or I want to try it. Maybe I don't succeed, but I I personally want to try. I want to try to see a world where there is no prisons, there is no borders, there is not the struggling for the visa or the passport. Okay, so if somebody is violent or dangerous, we can we can organize to keep them under control, maybe very limited kind of prison that can exist for the very violent people that are very, very violent, difficult to contain, but is very small numbers. Now we we have 10, 6% of population entire is all in the jail. And we have the 60% of the animal in the world, they are in cage. How is happening? When I was a kid, it was not like that. All the the animals in the world they have been caged, and and we we have this enormous house with farmed animals everywhere. But this why we have this? We cannot manage the our environment to have luxurious, like to have abundance. We why we are destroying their water resources. This all these politics like uh America is doing uh like a Trump, like this, they they create richness because they they steal from the future, they destroy the resources of the future, and they take a little drop of that profit for making their own small profit. But it doesn't it doesn't work anymore like that. That was now has grown too much if this this has to to change, has to end. Even in the high level, they know. Even the the billionaires, they all know. If they don't change, maybe they hope they can die before the big disaster. But why they want to hope to die? Why we don't change it? We why we don't try to change it and to make the world really a nice place where we can be? Why we can still killing the Michael Jackson of the situation and and we don't do nothing for for the for the owners of the jails in El Salvador or these other terrible uh Guantanamo or Chinese uh with the Tibetan or why we accept this North Korea to exist or or or the the the woman situation in the Muslim countries uh radical, the radical one, of course, and not all the Muslim. But why we accept this terrible situation in the world? I think we have the power to change. And the the the work of the first Gange Kappa is about that. Unify all the people who have understood this and have this wish to change the form before we die and do it, and do it and live it, you know, and have the experience of a beautiful world. Where eventually, if it's so perfect, we become kind of immortal and realize that who knows we have we need we need the time for our life. We work, we stress, we cry. We need the time to think about the moment we die, because this is why we are here. Everybody of us will die, and we when we die, we are right there like lost, because all our life we were busy with some run rat race or war or trouble, you know. But and when we die, what then maybe all these animals in the farm cage is reincarnation of human that was not able to understand what they are. So if you we are everything, we continue, we we come back here and we have all this experience. I know you know I don't want to teach you these things. I'm sure you you kind of have your own idea. I'm not here for for teaching my my I think you have already this kind of understanding, maybe even better developed it than what I was able to explain.

SPEAKER_02 2:29:35

But no, I think it was great. Yeah, okay, thank you. You're spitting facts. Everyone was loving what you were saying. There's no doubt about it. It's the truth. Listen. The world we live in is controlled by people who are sociopaths, and they're the only ones that try to um run for politics and government. They're the ones that want to be the prime ministers. And the and the trick is to think one is better than the other, then they've got you, right? Then they've just got you, you, you, you, they've locked you in hard, and it takes up real estate. So the loving, empathetic people that you're speaking of that want to make the world a better place, they're not sociopathic enough to create to become in control of government. You have to be a sociopath to become in control of government. So you have these very like loving, calming, empathetic people. They just want to make the world a better place. And then you have sociopaths who are clearly possessed by demons. And demons, to them, the best world is a world of suffering. It's a world where we murder animals and babies and we keep plants illegal and we murder people for their sexual preferences, and we create and and and massive amounts of dissent and division. Uh, and so that's what's been happening for the longest uh time, at least that I've seen in the world. And I I I absolutely know that if that's not what's happening, something very much like it must be happening. Um, because it's not, this is not a coincidence, it's not an accident. They specifically want, I mean, how crazy is it that we live in a world where we just slaughter 250 billion animals every year so people can have hamburgers at the local burger stand? Like this is psychopathy of the highest order, but it's normal.

SPEAKER_00 2:31:27

It's like, ah, but you you know, also this this uh is like before before the the Colombo right, the European arrived to North to America's, there was uh buffaloes everywhere. If you go to read the reports, there was uh uncountable buffaloes. It was so much meat available and animal product available for the for the people who was leaving the territories, and nobody needed to go to clean the shit or make artificial insemination or this or keeping them suffering in the cage. That is also a big work and and is is a waste of resources because we need to produce agriculture and produce big uh crops for feeding this animal in the cage is totally absurd. If we take care of the of the wild, we have abundance, but we get to this to this probably for reason of control to develop. I think somehow the humanity had to pass through this. Uh we get the technology, we get this uh this uh sort of um um ability to communicate through internet all around the world. It was also maybe probably the price to get here. But now that we have this to continue, it means we are suicidal. Now we have these tools of communication so practical, so direct. I think now we are able to make another another jump. Keep the knowledge we have, keep the technology, but also learn to to be harmonious with the nature. And is the moment to go to those psychopaths that you were telling. I'm not sure if I was uh uh in the position of Donald Trump, for example, because I speak about him because now he is the president of USA. If it was another, I said another name. But if I was him, maybe I was doing exactly the same because we don't really know the dynamics of that position. You are you are every day in a position that where they give you a paper to read, and if you don't read you die. So so you want to be rich, and you know, it's not the the the psychopath or or or all these um we don't know. I we have I think we have to help, we have to forgive even those that have made the war, have made the worst things, they are scared. That we go there and kill them. No, I don't want to kill them. I want them to stop to make a mess. We have to find a way to relax that. You forgive forgiveness for everybody, like total armistice, like really demanding this. Stop the violence now in the world and work for solutions. Like the petrol company, they are scared. Ah, if uh they have the ganja, we lose the control of the world of the market. No, the petrol should continue to exist. I'm not against the petrol. The petrol should continue, but should be priced to be able, when you buy the petrol, you pay also for all the damage that the petrol does to the network. So one one one liter of oil, probably you will get to pay $20-50. But in certain situations, still useful, and in other situations, you buy the hemp oil at $150, and you know, that is not polluting. We have to we have these big men's like um the what is his name, the owner of Tesla. Um mask, Elon Musk, Elon Musk, trillionaire. Oh this is uh is um is there he probably has some capacities. We should find a way to communicate to communicate also with them and make them part of the change of the world because uh more power somebody have more can give this influence. And I know it looks incredibly impossible because probably Musk is sponsored by the US Army and is not really a free man, but still, even the US Army, why continue to destroy and make bombs? Why would they not go and build houses and and and and purify water resources instead? You know, we really need, and there are some leaders. There is not only us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell me, tell me. I think if we start to do this, other people uh we are all connected. Other people start to do, and and we don't have to worry that we don't have the control of everybody. If we get this uh understanding and and the the ability to uh to work in this direction as a group big as it is, the the cannabis community, I think we can change, we can we can change the world. We can really change the world, and was a little bit uh this uh I think was a little bit the dream of Michael Jackson, and he was like a man who was almost uh uh breaking the point of tell everybody to be a friend, they killed him, doesn't matter, but they killed the they we we come back now. Another or or or Bob Marley. We had until now only single personalities that have become famous and they tried to do this. Now we learn we don't need a single personality, we need we need a whole community, a whole group. So I really believe that the first Ganja Cup can be um can be our our uh our tool to do that because the the first Ganja Cup have the we have to write together, have to be an horizontal or organization that includes all the the everything that is already happening, like all the cannabis cups in the world that they are already happening. We need to start to think uh about why we have so much synthetic fertilizer everywhere, all the bigger event, why is all synthetic?

SPEAKER_02 2:38:00

It's why we we it's the cancer industry. That's that's why we have it all. It's the cancer industry, it's a very profitable industry. You can raise millions and millions and billions of dollars um for cancer. And uh it's and I don't even know how much has been raised since I've been alive. I bet you it's it might like find like I don't know, is it is it hundreds of billions of dollars? And here we are, we have more of it today than ever. Uh, probably because a big part of it is those fertilizers that you talk about. Monsanto's embedding those fertilizers right into the embryo and the seed, so that that that that is, yeah, it's like a wild sort of consideration that that would be the work that you decide to do. But what are you gonna do?

SPEAKER_00 2:38:49

Okay. I I think uh in in our smaller scale of the cannabis community, we need to start to talk more seriously about go only organic. Like uh I understand that the situation where uh they live in in countries where it's totally illegal and they have very small growth indoors, they want to use some salt because also it's more practical to hide. Okay. But but uh all those countries where where it's not like that, where it has more or less legalized. The ganja community, I have to say, we make only organic. We have to go to speak with these big brands like Athena. Athena, we don't want Athena to to crack crack down. Just stop, just change product, evolve, stop to to to sell souls. Why we keep doing this?

SPEAKER_02 2:39:45

We don't need it, and it's because people keep buying it. That's the problem. It's hard to tell someone not to sell something when they're selling so much of it. You're not wrong, we don't need it. We live also in the similar utopian world that you're coming from. I would love to see a world uh like that. What I've learned is that there's just a ton of people, like the majority of people, and I don't know why, but they don't seem to care as much. You know, it's it's true.

SPEAKER_00 2:40:16

Many people they they don't seem to care, but and and but it's not necessarily that they don't care for real. Many also have like a defense. Like you know, they they don't want to be to be uh to feel uh wrong. They all of us we we like always to to feel correct, no?

SPEAKER_02 2:40:40

So if you can, I guess. I've been married for 37 I've been married for 31 years, so I'm very used to being wrong. I've gotten pretty good at it actually over the years. I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_00 2:40:58

Yeah, that that is a good uh is a good skill, it's an important skill.

SPEAKER_02 2:41:04

Yes, well it's good to have someone in your life who can be honest with you. And who can be more honest than your wife?

SPEAKER_00 2:41:16

Yes, definitely.

SPEAKER_09 2:41:19

Well right, last try.

SPEAKER_02 2:41:25

I fixed it. I fixed my Puffco. I cannot believe my Puffco is working again. Super happy, man. Really nice to meet you. Where are you from originally? You're from Italy?

SPEAKER_00 2:41:37

Yeah, from Italy, yes. Whereabouts Toscania near the near Florence.

SPEAKER_02 2:41:43

Oh, this is nice, this is a nice spot. So you left Italy to move to Thailand?

SPEAKER_00 2:41:49

Yes, it was not planned. Uh I uh I met Prempawi seven years ago. And uh since then uh um I uh I started to live in Thailand because for her it was very hard to travel. She with the Thai passport is not easy to travel. And uh slowly, I uh when when the especially when Thailand uh had made this move uh of of uh free the the um the plants uh and free also the the prisoners. I I I really felt that I wanted to be here and be part of this.

SPEAKER_02 2:42:29

And and well, you should link up with Etienne. Etienne's a big proponent here in Hash Church. He goes to the UN and and is like fighting the fight that you you want to fight on at the highest level of uh of sort of government and administrative bodies. So you guys should link up after and make sure you have Etienne's contact. He's uh he's the one wearing the cool little weed hat in the chat with us right now.

SPEAKER_03 2:42:56

Yeah, I actually work with uh Meglio Legale out of Italy at the UN, as well as uh Fields of Green for All out of South Africa. Uh I'm an ambassador with the cannabis embassy, so uh we go as individuals and uh what's called non-governmental organizations or NGOs, and uh we are able to engage world leaders, diplomats, uh ambassadors, etc., at the United Nations when we're um at the C and D or other invitations, we're working toward um our friends got uh who I work with got uh medical cannabis removed from the most dangerous drug category at the uh medicinally in 2020, which is why medical cannabis is legal worldwide. And our team is working toward the 2030 goal of removing cannabis from the most dangerous drug category for adult use so that we can stop people being executed and free many people in jail for cannabis. So, yes, we're we've gone above the U.S.'s head and gone directly to the treaty, which is why the US is right now dealing with a rescheduling issue, is because uh we reminded the U.S. that they had to come into compliance with the international treaty that they used to beat us over the head with and say they couldn't change the laws in the United States with. Well, Michael Crowitz and our friends changed that internationally, so that the United States has to. So that's one reason why you're seeing the change in the United States with Schedule III. And of course, our friends in Italy are very much struggling because the uh, you know, they're dealing with their own fascist leader and how they feel. And you know, cannabis is even I was just in Florence a couple of weeks ago. So a beautiful, wonderful area of Italy. Um, absolutely wonderful cannabis culture that is there, but it's a shame that it has to hide and that it is hidden and that it isn't allowed to flourish because Italians grow some of the best hemp in the world. Uh, but at the same time, I bet you they could grow some amazing cannabis as well.

SPEAKER_00 2:45:06

So uh in Italy is legal, it becomes like one of the best ganja in the world, like uh for sure, it's a perfect uh place for grow ganjo.

SPEAKER_03 2:45:16

But uh without a doubt. You can grow only guerrilla, and there are there are some time people who try to make bigger fields, but most of the time they are uh they are the the police get them, even if they are going to well, and one of the things that we found out that through the UN and our work there is that growing for your own personal medical use is legal worldwide. You can do it. It doesn't mean you won't get prosecuted in your country. However, the UN sees that if you are unable to secure cannabis in countries where it is legal, that you have the right as a human to grow your own cannabis. And so that was a major revelation. Uh, it doesn't won't stop you, as I stated, from getting prosecuted in your own country. However, it is still uh a uh move in the right direction to uh help people be aware that they have rights, but you know, you still it comes with its own set of risks no matter where you are in the world.

SPEAKER_00 2:46:18

You know, Thailand was interesting because they they simply say something that also is true. Like, plants are not drugs, plants are living beings. So you cannot put in the list of the narcotics in the list of the drugs the plants because uh the is another group, you cannot mix them. And so they they um free the whole plant or mushroom with this um uh I don't know in English how to say the with but with with this specification, okay? With these details, and I think these uh have to it it can be the key to to uh unlock this problem globally because um let's be honest, the everybody hates uh the ganja and the the other because of the war on drugs. Before it was not like that, the word maybe it was some some something also against, but it was not that strong. It was the war on drugs that they start to say that the drug are the criminals, because also also also the drugs, no, the more terrible drugs like the heroin, the hohane, all these uh synthetic, they're not so terrible for real. If you compare them uh to to the wars and the jails, uh or or you know, or uh or the shoe so what we are talking about, let's make uh the war to the worst, to the violence. We you know, you might have to to to make the war to violence, we have to stop violence, coercive situations. We have uh so I I read I read I read recently the report of uh of the the prisoner project. They uh spent uh two million six hundred thousand, something like that, uh and they freed around 12 people. And I mean, I'm they did a great job because of the situation, I think is is amazing. I'm not uh here to say anything bad about, but with that amount of resources, we should have uh built up a group and open a whole uh prison facility, and then like Garibaldi did to unify Italy. And you know, we we literally have to go there and open the jails and one by one open all the jail of the world. Is have to hand this this uh I don't know if you ever been to the jail, but I think everybody should stay in the jail at least 15 days, one month to see what what means stay in the jail. It's it's not uh it's not acceptable that uh the jail exists. And then because there are some few serial killers or like this, okay. Those very few cases we can talk about, but we don't even even for them, we don't need the jail to to hide the the monsters, the monster we and and put them like nobody can go to speak. I cannot go to speak with a serial killer. Why? I want to know him, I want to know why he did what he did because I don't want to do the same. The people who make mistakes are important.

SPEAKER_02 2:49:36

Uh well, I will say this. I had a friend who did 11 years in prison for cannabis, and uh, when he got out, he definitely told me that uh it was important that we have jails and that some of those people never leave jail. That's what he said to me. And he he was an actually like pretty reasonable guy, he wasn't like the kind of guy that wanted to lock people up, and he got locked up for cannabis for 11 years, which was terrible and completely unacceptable. But man, he was in there with some fucking some real savages, dude.

SPEAKER_00 2:50:13

For sure, but uh look, I tell you another story. Like uh a few months ago, they released it uh in uh in Italy, they released that these uh these uh men uh um that uh have been in jail uh 25 uh years, uh almost 30 years, and uh they discovered he was innocent. He was in jail because they said that he raped and killed uh like two uh a wolf family. And after almost 30 years, they discovered he was innocent, and they released him, but he lost 30 years of life.

SPEAKER_02 2:50:46

You know, that's like Richard Deese did 32 years for cannabis, he was one of the 12 last prisoner projects you just mentioned, and did yeah, 32 years for for cannabis, which in my opinion is also being innocent.

SPEAKER_00 2:51:02

Yeah, is innocent. Well, of course, what the crime is uh growing ganja has no no any kind of bad consequence to the to anybody, actually, probably is have even have good, but that doesn't matter for sure is not dangerous or bad, you know.

SPEAKER_03 2:51:20

I have the first 10 that the United States gave out in October of 1976. Fifty years ago, they gave out 300 joints to a guy with uh glaucoma here in the United States, yet they put Frank Delisi away for 32 years. You know, the injustice and the hypocrisy is beyond Florida County. Oh, yeah, on top of that, you know, yeah, no, right. It was not not recommended for any humans.

SPEAKER_00 2:51:50

Yeah, Florida can have guns, big guns, and go and go to the street with with uh automatics uh or semi-automatic. But the joint uh is is uh is the crime, you know.

SPEAKER_02 2:52:04

Yeah, unbelievable. But it is it is pretty crazy that we're still being that we're still in this prohibition. Look at it looks like all the buds got taken, but we had we had beautiful plants on all of our tables last night. Fresh cut clones, fresh cut plants, but it looks like uh it looks like all the buds, because we had flowering buds as well. I can't find them all. Maybe uh those were taken.

SPEAKER_00 2:52:36

I think people think about the the the passport of the ganja people because uh because we have me and her we have speaking many many times about this. Uh we have this idea to create one one like for real, a sort of uh passport that is recognized by everybody who is um um in the in the cannabis community, of people that make a declaration that grow ganja organic, um possibly uh outdoor organic, but even if it's not outdoor, but organic, and uh everybody who uh grow ganja and renounce also to certain certain things that we consider violent, like um owning a weapon, uh go hunting, should make making things that are are violent acts, make like an official declaration and give to this uh uh group of people a passport that is an immunity to the jail and to the borders. And of course, at the beginning will be something symbolic because but the idea is to build a group that is uh powerful enough to make this effective at global scale.

SPEAKER_02 2:53:52

Well, I find when you legalize cannabis federally for recreation, for medical, for home growth, for everything, all of that like prohibition stuff just just like suddenly the police have no money, they're not investigating it anymore. If people do get in trouble with ganja, it's not really trouble. Like, oh, a big company ran a whole room out of 10 rooms and one of them wasn't licensed, which back in the day would have been like, oh my god, they're gonna take the license and and put them in jail, but now it's just like a slap on the wrist. And so, yeah, I think it's it's wild, but people are really, really like strongly brainwashed by law, like more so than morals or ethics. Like law is law. And then the minute you just legalize something, like in Canada, when we legalized cannabis, um people were just like, oh, I'm gonna go try cannabis. And it was like all of a sudden, like 85% of people who were kind of like, this is not good, the minute it became legal, they're like, Oh, we can do it now. Really? Yeah, because it's legal. And it's like, whoa, what the fuck? That's really how you think. And that is how a ton of people in a ton of countries think. And so once we get federal legalization, it always starts with medical. It always starts with medical. But the thing is, is that it always grows beyond medical into recreational because even the companies that are positioning themselves for medical realize that without much effort, they can be involved in the entire recreational market as well by just shifting a small amount. And in Canada, most of the companies shifted away from medical towards recreational. Even big companies like Shoppers Drug Mart, who are part of the $55 billion loblaws chain, uh, they even left medical behind. It's uh kind of unfortunate because everyone uses medical to get their foot in the door and to create this sort of environment that. That is able to exist for decriminalization or legalization. But I will say that in Canada, no one's really getting harassed for cannabis or weed. And because the minute you make it legal from both rec and medical, well, now you've shot yourself in the foot to be able to like search someone's car, search someone's house. Hey, you're on the street, I smell weed. It's like, yeah, well, that's okay. You you just use you're gonna smell weed sometimes. Before the smell was how they brutalized us. The smell was like, okay, I got you. Like I got you, dude. I don't even have that good of a smell because the shit reeks so hard. It was like the very thing we loved about cannabis was the very thing they used against us to um to brutalize us, to arrest us, to jail us.

SPEAKER_00 2:56:52

Of course, I this uh I'm I don't agree with the people who complain about the smell, but sometimes they they are right. There are some ganja that smell very bad, like a terrible uh smell. But it is because I think they the the the fertilizer they have been used. There is some ganja, it's disgusting also for me. But not for this, you need to put uh illegal, you know. Just make the rule you don't smoke inside uh the cafe or the public place, like same of the cigarette, and don't outside a little bit smell. What's the problem? And in the house, uh some some some condominion they may have a problem like this, but also there are so many varieties that are not so smelly. For example, the Thai ganja have very low low low smell and still is very is very nice and very but I I begin to like more the ganja with low low therps compared and that this here in Thailand because um I don't need all that therps. I I I like that have some, I I can feel it, but it's it's delicate. And I can smoke also in the house uh and it's like one incense, uh but it doesn't smell like incense, but it's like not smelling the house of stunk like I was smoking when I was in London or or or in Italy, like you smoking. You you can feel for three days that you smoke it there because it's you know nice, but but but yeah, but we we don't need the reality, we have so many other varieties that are not so strong, and they're still uh very effective in terms of uh effects and yeah, we I don't know. The Thailand is beautiful because they it's totally normalized. The the the um ganja, yeah, they make this licensing system very, very simple, but it's totally normalized. You I I was traveling with the backpack full of ganja and the even the the the weight and the small pen. Nobody even looks at if it's ganja, nobody cares. You know, it's like we're getting there. Now now they they speak, they want to change the but uh we don't know exactly what really happened because in reality they speak every every year. Uh if Thailand turned back like this by later, it's not really happening. I think it depends a lot uh on the rest of the world. If the rest of the world uh does give some signal that somebody else is following Thailand, I think Thailand will stay. But if it's the only country in the world, it's heavy, it's heavy, you know. It's the same in the bike race. If you always the first, it's heavy to stay there, you know. And Thailand is a small nation, arrive Trump to visit, arrive, and for sure they said, Oh, what are you doing with this ganja? Why don't you put medical, you know? But at the beginning, they just freed and give the plant for free to everybody. Now in the in the newspaper, they write there was CBD plant, but it's not true, it was all TSC plant, and it was like totally like no worry, they even that time they even um removed the um personal use of any drugs. It was for a yeah, small quantities, uh and uh was but yeah, it was like the end of for a few years we live at the what means the end of the war of drugs, and it works better the society without the war on drugs.

SPEAKER_02 3:00:34

I think society works better without most wars, actually. It's probably uh truth. Um hard to say, easy to it's always easy to have opinions on everything, it's always harder. It would be wild if there was just this level of intelligence that you could go through every thought you had, everything, because I know one thing a lot of the things that are my convictions, I are wrong. You know, they're just not they're just not right. Like, and some of them are right and and aren't wrong, but you just the the unique thing about the world is we just never know. Like, I guess I've I heard a guy saying it couldn't have happened any other way because it didn't. And I thought, isn't that a profound statement? You know, it didn't, it couldn't have happened any other way because it didn't. It's like, well, there you go. Maybe this is the way it's supposed to happen. I don't know why. But cannabis is not going away, you know. Like, I feel like the prohibitionists have been like slain the last 10 to 15 years around the world. And more and more countries are kind of like, you know, they're like, oh, it's not just a do we want to legalize, it's uh do we need billions of dollars in revenue for our country? Because that's what it is generally, it's billions of dollars. You know, we only have 35 million people in Canada, and I think it's a couple billion annually in Canada, a little smaller than the Michigan market, which is one state, uh, which does two.

SPEAKER_00 3:02:10

There is also something that uh from Asia for for China, like this. We they reach also a point where we are asking, uh, we do really need the money. You know, uh it's like really we need the money. Why all the basic services are not uh already guaranteed for everybody, like uh schools, hospitals, and just transport. Why why are not just for everybody? This doesn't mean a total uh equal equalitarian society like the uh maybe my Marxist uh doesn't mean necessarily that, but I I think the the even even the supercapitalist like Musk, I have heard them uh speak. We are in a time where we produce enough resources to keep everybody uh without work or all the people who is not work enough rich to have a dignity dignitous uh life. You know, we we have enough, but we have a problem in the distribution.

SPEAKER_02 3:03:15

The problem with that system though is that you're right, we do for that small group of people. It's the much larger group of people that would want to appear to be like that small group of people to get that free stuff as well, that ends up collapsing the system. If it only used this, I saw it with welfare in my own country. I saw people scamming welfare like you wouldn't believe. In fact, it was a well-known thing in in Canada, which it still is to this day, that if you come from India and you come to Canada, it's very easy to get on. It's it's not welfare, it's another type of support, and it's thousands of dollars of support. Uh, and there's TikTok videos by people that are like, you should come to Canada, you should do this, it's super easy. I'll show you how to do it, and then you can rack up credit card bills, and then you just leave. You never have to pay the money, and it's like, fuck. Like that's the problem with the utopian world. It makes sense that the majority of us could easily care for that smaller percentage of society. It's the problem where you have this big chunk that's like, well, no, we also don't want to earn and work and do all that. We'd like to be in this small group. And then, I mean, I saw it with medical cannabis. Here's a perfect example. Medical cannabis in Canada at first was really just the most hurting people. Like, like it was it was reserved for the truly vulnerable people. And it did not take long, okay, before people came in and took advantage of that system. And they used the the patients as their shield to protect themselves from their own black market business that they wanted to do. So they wanted which, and I'm not judging that either. I'm like, hey, who am I to say that it's not good for them to be? I just the thing that left a bad taste in my mouth was that they were inadvertently using a system that was designed for a vulnerable group of people, and they were using it to profit. And they were profiting so much that it was leaking into the medical aspect where tons of patients who were too sick to grow their own weed would find these people, these these guys that wanted to grow big money weed, and they'd say, Oh, give me your license and I'll grow for you. So they'd get licenses from all these different patients. They'd grow hundreds of plants, and then you'd hear time after time after time where the person got like 200 grams of like small buds, and then the guy grew like 120 pounds under the license and sold it all into the gray market. And so that's always the problem that you know, utopian or not, human beings generally, if they're not being forced to do something like taxes, would you pay taxes if you weren't forced to do it? Like I'm I'll be honest, I don't think I would, you know, but because there's the CRA in Canada, I do. I pay my taxes because of that. And if you give people an inch, they'll take the whole yard. And so there has to be some level of regulation when it comes to society because we all think just too differently. There's too broad of uh beliefs that are amongst uh society, and then throw in cultural differences, um, you know, with very specifically different cultures.

SPEAKER_00 3:06:32

For example, is something serious for for many countries, uh, especially from the countries that are active on wars. Because uh, because to pay tax uh in in a country that uh go to war as offensive uh action is uh almost immoral. You know, then uh then for so many people. I have been friends with so many people living in the street that they preferred to live like poor instead of supporting uh the machine of the war, you know. And so there is also the the other side of humanity. There is not only the one that grab and run away, there are also those that prefer don't touch anything but they want to stay pure. And and uh I think uh mostly based uh on education. If uh if uh we have access to to education, we become kind of uh better people uh in general about everything because we develop knowledge and so we are less blind and we do more uh wise choice. Uh and grabbing and stealing is not a wise choice. It looks wise, it looks smart, is smart, but it's not wise because there are always when you get something that you don't deserve, you get always some downside. I think also that almost everybody had some experiences uh that in the life that you you you stole it uh maybe or you did smart something and then you had the trouble or you lost it, or it's all you know is uh they give they give uh money every month to to and the can in Canada or UK to the people uh they come to India. But why instead they don't give them free access to the university? Why why we don't have uh free access to university hospitals and transportation guarantee for everybody all around the world?

SPEAKER_02 3:08:30

That'd be pretty nice. You if you're indigenous in Canada, you do. They're the only ones in Canada that get all free university, free everything. Uh, but it's just one group. So it's like right now it's early enough because they're they're a group that were disparaged. But if you get if they continue to do this for say 50 years and it doesn't happen for any other groups, people will get further away from their disparagement history and they'll start getting looked at at like these motherfuckers have been getting free shit for 50 years, no other group of people are getting the same, no?

SPEAKER_00 3:09:03

Everybody has to be the same, like at the university open why why um in in Italy also theoretically we have uh some some the hospital are free for everybody, for example, and but already you have to pay, and it's not cheap, it's not expensive like the US, but it's already uh some maybe five 5,000 euro a year or something like this. Compared to US, it's a small amount, but still uh for some family is hard, it's too much. And then you you have also everything divided on ages. Well, the university are not just open, and when you want to go to study program, you subscribe, doesn't matter how old you are, and you do it, you know.

SPEAKER_02 3:09:48

Beautiful, perfect, it'll get better. Listen, I we've gone by one, we've gone past one o'clock. I was gonna I'm gonna close it down, but I'm very glad to have both you and Pre on today from Thailand. So I really appreciate that. And we'll put up all your links and contacts, and we'll stay in touch with one another and see how we can help each other. And the hash church community can help what you guys are doing over there because I obviously it's awesome, and I love the perspective and what you're doing over there. And um, I thank the sponsors, PuffCo. Thank you. Um, and thank you to the press club as well. Always uh big supporters there, and uh shout out to the reserve and all the people that showed up here last night. And I'm gonna go check out the dude uh Gros Cup here in uh in about an hour or so. I gotta get ready, I gotta do some cleaning. But thanks, Dr. Mark, for coming on and hanging out with us today, and Etienne as well, as well as Colin and Caleb who were in earlier. Shout out to everyone that's going to Berlin this week. I'm gonna be here in Denver, but uh big shout out to everyone uh that is gonna be in Berlin for the Mary Jane. That is going to be a very, very big event. And Bree's coming in to say goodbye, I believe. Yes, she is. Look at that. Wonderful. Thank you so much for coming on. Appreciate you and your husband. Really nice to hear from both of you. And hopefully, uh, oh look, Caleb's coming in to say goodbye too. Hopefully, Colin will get up to link up with you guys when he's in Thailand at the end of the month here. And uh yeah, that was wonderful. Thanks so much. We'll link everyone to all of your uh links and Instagrams and different things. And uh yeah, may the full melt bless your bowls sooner than later. Shout out to Wade Laughter, shout out to Skunk Man Sam, thinking about you guys on the regular, and uh, we miss you here at Hash Church. It's never been the same without you guys. Peace out, everybody.

unknown 3:11:59

Yeah.