Hash Church Season 12 Episode 20

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:18

Ah, there she goes. There she goes.

SPEAKER_02 0:25

All right. Alrighty, alrighty, alrighty.

SPEAKER_04 0:30

Let's see what we got there.

SPEAKER_03 0:34

Just getting started here, everyone. Waiting for the stream. Welcome, everybody. I want to make sure you guys can see me. Oh, yeah, there it is. There it is. All right. Uh, live and direct from Denver at the reserve. I'm in the top VIP floor as there's a bit of a session down there, and I kind of thought this is gonna be a little hard to start hash church with a lot of people puffing a lot of hash, uh, but super stoked. Had the most amazing trip. We're gonna get into it. Um, I want to obviously start out by welcoming everyone and uh announcing that this is Hash Church, uh season 12, episode 20. Episode 20. Jesus Christ, we're almost halfway through the year. This is incredible. Uh I've got a bunch of guests in today. I got Scott from Puffco, uh, the main rep down here, who's absolutely the most knowledgeable and amazing Tusco dude ever. Uh, his homie is here as well. We're gonna bring them both up at one point. Adam Dunn's gonna be here. I did his show the other day. Kyle from the reserve and extract seller is here. We've got Scully Vibes in the house. Uh, and then we're gonna have a conversation with Jen Doe about something she found in her um in her hash. So, first of all, as always, let's shout out the people that make the difference. Uh, our sponsors. Let's shout out our sponsors. Elevate your session at Hash Church. That's what they say. Uh, you can elevate your solventless game at Hash Church, actually, with the press club's uh top-notch lineup of rosin extraction essentials, uh, proudly supporting the community through really top-tier tools that make clean, potent concentrates of breeze. From their legendary rosin bags with the proprietary pink stitch and the zero blowout guarantee for unbeatable durability and yields, really to award-winning wash bags, premium parchment paper, free press molds, and the innovative press club rosin press for precise heat and pressure control. Whether you're crafting at home or scaling up, uh, their isoswab stations and collection plates, keep your setup, spotless, and efficient, all crafted with 100% food grade, dye-free nylon for contaminant-free results that uh really preserve those precious volatile organic compounds. You can join the press club in championing hash church by heading over to the pressclub.co today uh and gear up for the next epic session. I believe they have a code HashChurch10 that you can use over there, and that should give you a little bit of loving. And also, there we go. I like that second logo that I just showed there. We've got to go over that again one time. So uh Pufco, Jesus Christ, these guys have been lacing me up. They're such good dudes. The whole company is just really uh it's completely impressed me. And we're gonna bring those guys up here so soon. But in the meantime, at Hash Church, we do talk a lot about ritual, respect for the plant, elevating the experience, all those things. And that's exactly why we're pretty proud to be supported uh by Puffco. Pufco continues to set the standard for modern consumption, obviously, with tools built for people who truly care about flavor, temperature, and intentional use from the Puffco Peak Pro with the 3DXL bowl, delivering consistent heat, bigger hits, and unmatched terp expression to the proxy, redefining modular ritual-based consumption and the pivot, bringing true Puffco performance into a compact, everyday format. These aren't gadgets, uh, they're purpose-built tools for Hash and Solventless. And we're genuinely, genuinely grateful for Puffco's continued support of Hash Church and our community, our guests, uh, their belief in education, culture, and quality really does help keep those conversations alive. You can support the brand that supports the culture by visiting Puffco.com. Explore their lineup and experience what intentional design really feels like. Puffco, man, come on, elevate the ritual. Uh well, I would be remiss not to mention my own company. Uh, I just because fuck, we're awesome too. Uh, support bubble bags. We're the OGs, man. We can't we came at this in '99. We've been teaching you about water extraction and eight-bag hits and 90 micron and full melt. And, you know, we've got Skunk Man Sam as my mentor, who's the one of the foundations of this, you know, the everything that I was doing, even though I didn't know it at the time. Uh, you can support us simply by going over to bubblebag.com and exploring our lineup. Check it out if there's something we can do for you. Give us a call. Um, we're happy to do that. We do wholesale as well, so feel free to uh reach out if you got a store and you want to support the OGs. Uh, a lot of ripoffs these days, $50 bags and whatnot, hard to compete with. But uh, hey, if we can help you, we're happy to help you. So, right on. Okay, so okay, here we go. I got everything going. I just want to make sure uh I am on the last day of my trip here in Denver. Uh, I have been here for about a week, and so that's pretty awesome. I did a week in um, I did a week in Michigan with Papa Sift, which we talked about a little bit last week, just as I got here. That was an amazing event. Shout out to the whole team at Yield Distro who's helping operate and run the Bubble Man brand. Uh, shout out to Steve and Sarah and uh Papa Sift, Ryan Walls, uh, for the amazing work and and awesome, just awesome hanging out with Ryan for uh the week there in Michigan. That was my first trip. Uh, and I'm looking forward to doing one here soon to Illinois, my first trip to go meet those partners. Obviously, I know Dredd smokes weed, uh, but meeting, uh, you know, meeting up with Marshall and the team will be uh will be very good. And then I'm gonna be back here at the reserve for the Terps and Tallow dinner that Kyle and I are doing on June 6th. So you can check out that dinner if you want to come hang out. It is not a cheap dinner, I won't lie. Uh, but what it really is is it's gonna be an incredible experience here at the reserve. It's gonna be around 7 p.m. till around 2 a.m. We've got four of the top 10 Masters of Rosins uh placements. So we've got Stu from Minor Melts, who took second. We got Lulu Melts, who took first. We got Nick from Portal Provisions, I believe he took eighth. And I think it was Turps Over Yield who took took fourth. They were all over here the other day. We were smoking all their hash. It was absolutely wonderful and uh delicious. So their hash will be on display, and you'll be able to puff uh their hash as you come by. They're gonna have their own little kind of booths around the reserves. I saw that you're coming, goat the gardens. I look forward to hanging out with you, dude. I will be hosting the party with Kyle. Uh, and it's gonna be baller, dude. This place is so ridiculous. Like, I can't even tell you. Uh, it's just really wonderful. I mean, check this out. We could walk outside right now from being inside, and we could go be in downtown Denver, just like that. Look at that. In downtown Denver. Baseball field is right there. Look at that. Look at the baseball. How fucking cool that is, dude. Are you setting vapor on smooth, bold, or intense? That is a good question, young. Most of mine are set on extreme, but one of them is set on intense. And I got these settings from the Puffco rep, Scott, who's downstairs. Maybe I'll have him come up and he can talk about that a little bit. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do. All right, so one sec. We're gonna call Scott up here because it's time for him to come share with us.

SPEAKER_02 8:01

Let's see if I can get his attention. We'll go ask him real quick. Hey Scott! You wanna pop up here? There's the boys! Bring some bagels. Does the bear shit in the woods? Actually, if you hang out in the woods, he actually shits on the trail more often than in the woods. Apparently. Come up when you get a chance, Scott!

SPEAKER_04 8:40

The workshop was awesome, dude. I was really stoked on the workshop. Obviously, low temper, awesome people. Shout out to Levi.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

Shout out to Mackenzie, Matt, Cliff, all of the above.

SPEAKER_03 8:56

It was really, really cool. It was a nice, uh, not overly bit like full class. I think there was maybe 15 or 16, maybe 17 people in the room total. I think, you know, some of them were from Puffco, some of them were I had a friend there. And there were maybe like 12 or 13 people who took the class, and it was great. I really, it was the most like totally like arcing overall. It was the most complete class I've ever put together. I wrote a 68-page document to go through the class. And then, of course, we I did a presentation on the history of bubble hash. That's what I opened it up with. Then I did a photo essay of the 45 macro photos. Um, see what how well this will work if I take these airpods off. See what kind of phone I have. And then if it's terrible, can you guys hear me okay? Make sure I'm okay. I guess we don't really have anyone else talking to here right now, other than ourselves. So maybe we could each just wear one of these. Scott's just organizing his goods here. Here, you know what? You have so much stuff. Why don't I go here? And we'll flip these to the other side, and I'll give it to you.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

I noticed some clothes.

SPEAKER_03 11:53

Well keeping my computer. How about now? Let's see that. Your default microphone was changed to MacBook at microphone. Sound, check the chat. I'm reading the chat. Do we have it down here?

SPEAKER_07 12:06

You can click on the audio.

SPEAKER_03 12:07

Sound sucks. Right where?

SPEAKER_07 12:08

Right here, I'll let you.

SPEAKER_03 12:11

Yeah, so audio settings. Just take out the what is he saying? Just take out the what?

SPEAKER_07 12:19

Take out the airpods. Okay. Can you hear now? Is it good? Much better, better, better. Okay, so maybe this isn't the best way to do it. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 12:26

Dope.

SPEAKER_06 12:28

All right.

SPEAKER_03 12:29

All right. So I gave Scott his flowers and nobody heard. But it's recorded, so you can go back and listen to it. So someone asked a question. It was, oh, it was a good question. Oh, it was about the settings on the Puffco. And he asked my buddy Bingo, do you set yours on extreme intense? He went through the four options. Would you be able to explain that? Because I don't think a ton of people are doing that in the back end of their Puffcos.

SPEAKER_07 12:54

Sure, totally. So what those vapor control settings actually do is it's like whenever you guys torch a banger, right? Like if you just torch the bottom or like just torch it a little bit, it's not going to retain that heat and like maintain that super strong temperature. So those vapor modes can just increase your vapor without really increasing the overall temperature that the chamber is, right? So whenever I'm on like a lower temperature dab, I like to go intense mode because then like I like clouds, right? I like to get like a nice, you know, thick milky hit. So I generally go intense. Like my lower setting is probably around like 500, 510. And then you can even bump it up to like my highest setting, I'll go down to like bold or something like that to avoid chazzing my chamber, especially if I'm smoking like full melt or like a really nice rosin. I don't want to go in at like 560 on something like that anyway. So I think anytime you're north of like 560, I bump it down from intense to bold just to avoid any chassis complications you might have. Dude, that's good information.

SPEAKER_03 13:54

And I've been puffing PuffCos for like 10 years, and I have I didn't know that. Even when you were like, let me set your settings up for Kyle the other day, I copied them all.

SPEAKER_07 14:02

Hey, you know? Yeah, like I need to figure it out. Totally. And I mean that's one cool thing in the app, too, right? The app you can actually share settings between people. There's the if you go into like your different settings that you have, you've got one you're like, this is the best setting I've ever used. There's a share function, you can share it amongst your friends, like text message, Discord, Instagram DM, anything like that. So if you've got like this is the setting that I know is like super dialed for me, you know, and I use a Perl in mine, I use a PowerPat cap in mine. So it's like with different airflows, you know, come different preferences, right? So the whole thing about Puffco is being able to dial in your experience and maintain a consistent experience, right? So like whenever you're torching a banger, right, you've got you've got a very short peak where it's like right at, you know, 550, 540, whatever you're going in at, right? The the advantage with a Puffco is that you can dial it in and you can keep it there for up to two minutes, right? So it's really we're trying to customize your experience as much as you can. So if you want to hit it down for a minute and 45 seconds, you can. If you want to hit it for 35, you can. And it'll maintain that temperature and maintain a consistent experience for you throughout. So I think it's great. Like we we've got you know rig dabs downstairs, but it's like uh on the go, especially with the link now, too. Like, I just really, really love like uh uh what these devices can do and the different types of effects you can get.

SPEAKER_03 15:20

Hell yeah, dude. Town Five Skunk, happy birthday, dude. Go rip out that Amaretto Stour. Let's go. Hell yeah. James, can you ask when there will be a wireless charging cup for the proxy?

SPEAKER_07 15:32

Hmm. I don't think the so the proxy doesn't have the wireless charging capability in the base. So I don't think that there will be one. What I do recommend is like you can get very affordable and very efficient power banks on Amazon or like other people. I know these the lights weird. It's so tricky, dude. Uh but yeah, like Amazon, like uh different places have like super good power banks that are like super fast, super safe, super efficient. So it's like um I'd recommend getting one of those. And um also like with the new proxy with the pivot, you can plug that into your phone and your phone will charge you.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

Dude, I use that all the time.

SPEAKER_07 16:08

So it's like I when I go to a concert, a baseball game, anything like that, I have my proxy plugged into my phone, it looks like a charger, and then I'm able to consume hash wherever I want.

SPEAKER_03 16:17

So I discovered this by accident. I was on Whistler Mountain. Now Whistler Mountain has charge stations, but it's it you have to leave it there, right? Yep, and then so I got my I got my phone and my cable, and for whatever reason, I'm just like I just plugged it into my pivot, and it just started charging, and I thought, oh my god, this is the fucking all burn. I mean, I I hit the core now, not the pivot, but when I had was using the pivot, I'd kill it like three times over the course of those, you know, like certain five plus hours. Totally. Because I'm smashing it, dude. Yeah, you know, like taking fucking 10 dabs at a time or whatever. But well, you're on the mountain, you're sharing, you know, other people are hitting too sometimes. Yeah, no, exactly. I feel like I missed another um uh quartz beats ceramic, right? Okay, uh yes, no, for sure. I mean, listen, quartz bangers, absolutely. I would say you're right, does beat a banger, but I have that unit you're talking about, and the first day that I opened it and I pulled out one of those quartz inserts that you're talking about, and it shattered in my fingers. It was paper fucking thin. So personally, I don't think that is better than ceramic. A quartz banger, I I love and prefer, but I honestly don't even know if that's more. I would love to start having Puffco blind taste tests on people like you know, like testing the Puffco against other units, testing the Puffco um at different temperatures. Because I I think people assume they know things to a certain level, but I think blind, it wouldn't be quite the same, you know, for everyone.

SPEAKER_07 17:48

And I I think also it doesn't have to be one or the other. I think it's tools in a tool belt. I have control towers, quave bangers, rigs at home, and I've got Puffcos as well, and links and stuff. Like, I don't think you have to choose. For me, it's like tools in a tool belt, and whatever, whatever the situation calls for. I'm just trying to smoke hash with my friends as much as I can. No, fuck that. It's the cannabis industry. You have to choose, you have to choose, and you have to be angry about it. Be angry.

SPEAKER_12 18:14

What's up, Kyle? Or uh uh call nothing, bro.

SPEAKER_08 18:18

And yo, you have to be right about everything.

SPEAKER_12 18:22

Yeah, exactly. Look in the eyes. Fucking vessel in the house, bro. Vessel in the house.

SPEAKER_08 18:29

No, we all gotta love each other more, man. And we gotta understand that there's a big world out there that um we may not be preview to, you know, like everyone's so in their own world, and uh yeah, man. It's like a big world of of little pockets of people that are doing things that you're just not not aware of. You know, I I I see it all the time with music and other mediums, if you will, out there. And uh it's no different with cannabis, man. Um clones that you thought were gone or not, and things that you thought uh maybe you know out there in the wild that are lost or are still here. So, you know. Love one another and respect one another. You know, it's uh it's too often we divide, and you know, this guy's better than that guy, and life's too short for that stuff, man. You know, like if that's your vibe, cool.

SPEAKER_07 19:25

There we go. Yeah, and it's like the same team too, man. You know, we're all we all we all love the plant. You know, we all love the plant, we all love the community around it, and so like, you know, I just I want to support everybody that's doing great work. I love Boban's hash, I love all the buddies' hash downstairs. It's like we have such a great community, we have so much talent, so much artistry in the community. Dude, I like hash, thank you. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03 19:49

This guy brought me like six jars of fresh press today.

SPEAKER_08 19:53

Dude, some of my favorite stuff is fresh press, uh, honestly, and I I love seeing it transform through the different stages because you get different volatility, um, different profiles.

SPEAKER_03 20:05

You know, also the dude from Legends in LA a few years ago from Skunk OK, who won't be. Oh no shit. His brother came and he gave me seven jars yesterday. He took my course.

SPEAKER_08 20:17

Big shout out to both those guys. I met them, I took third that year. Um, those guys were awesome people, and I just remember really connecting with them just because they were he's like, I just showed up. I didn't really because I almost left, honestly. I almost was like Addison on that, like, I'm not winning. Like, there's like I'm I'm here to just have fun. And he's like, No, like I think you should stay. And same with the same with that other cat. And um, I just remember his energy was so awesome, and he had he had many different types of resin with him that he's very talented. I mean, you know, and he has a he has a cool crew of people out there. Um, so I hope wherever he's at today, he's um expanding on his craft because he was he was on it, man. Like that was a few years ago. Um, so I'm sure he's gotten even better, you know.

SPEAKER_03 21:05

Yeah, we're gonna go downstairs. For some reason, this thing I keep getting this super loud sound up here. Sorry, Scott.

SPEAKER_12 21:13

Oh, gotta carry all the shit. Check this out, Colin.

SPEAKER_08 21:17

Dude, that vent nice. Oh, no way. That is really cool.

SPEAKER_03 21:29

Colin, you gotta come.

SPEAKER_08 21:30

I'm coming out. Yeah, I'll have to come out. That's rad. I want to get on that those keys.

SPEAKER_03 21:35

Yeah, yeah, I would love for you to get on these keys, dude. Like, you should come up for the turps and tallow dinner, bro. When's the date on it? June 6th. Yeah, June 6th. Wow, they all left. This is amazing, dude. We could just sit right back down. Here, look at our little spot here. I'll show you real quick.

SPEAKER_12 21:53

Look at this. Look at the tables discussion.

SPEAKER_03 21:58

That's awesome. Oh, dude. Not just brick walls, like it's all this, these are all Vincent Gordon originally.

SPEAKER_08 22:07

Oh wow, those are great. What was this venue? Was it like a restaurant or something? Like what dude? I have no idea.

SPEAKER_03 22:13

It was like some art thing or something. You can take a massage chair in this in the super futuristic massage chair.

SPEAKER_08 22:21

Play the piano while I sit in that.

SPEAKER_03 22:23

Yeah, we'll put that up in the piano for you. And so you can sit on that. All right, here I'll put this here. We'll get next to each other again. I'm pulling this off. It's interesting that I'm on your side and you're on the I know.

SPEAKER_07 22:34

I like flip food.

SPEAKER_03 22:35

That's pretty trippy, right? There we go. There we go. So we're just having fun. Yeah, we got a bunch of people here. I have no oh, they're out on the back deck. We probably will have to move again when they come in here. But uh go to the pool table. Oh, good.

SPEAKER_08 22:49

We could go to the elevator go. Uh, is that the first floor or second floor, guys?

SPEAKER_03 22:55

This is the second floor. Actually, you know what? When they all come out here, me and him are gonna jump in that elevator and we're gonna go down to the pool table room, and then we'll set up the computer and we'll do hash church while we play some pool. This place is so much fucking fun, dude. Cool, it's a good hang. Go to gardens. That place looks expensive. No, dude, super cheap, dude.

SPEAKER_07 23:13

Yeah, well, and he's I do live. We come here before Rocky's baseball games, too, because the baseball stadium is just right outside. We're like right outside left field at Coors Field. And so come here, session up right before the game, then just walk across the street, catch a baseball game, come back. It's great. The location here is awesome.

SPEAKER_03 23:30

That's cool. Um, it is people from Colorado that come here, Colin, are literally blown away. They're like, What the fuck? You know, because last night, for instance, last night it was like 11:30 at night, maybe 12, and it's very busy here. The bars are kind of hopping and people are walking back and forth. Kyle's like, let's load up a let's roll some cannons, and I'm gonna bring my nice chairs outside, and we're gonna sit out on the front street because he has a private gated front street area, and we just sat out there puffing joints, which is illegal in Denver unless you're in your house, which we were in Kyle's house. Like, just it was great. Yeah, it was one of the best vibes.

SPEAKER_08 24:11

Yeah, I was gonna ask because I remember talking to um Adam Dunn about it, and he was like, you know, Denver's dope, but I just you know, I can't do these events like I'm used to. Um, you know, and sounds like that's kind of shifting a little bit, right? It's that is that sound feels like there's now venues that you can do seshes at. Um is that kind of changing over there now? Now that the you know things have evolved a little bit in the world?

SPEAKER_03 24:38

Like how's that? I mean, he could speak to it better than me because I don't live here in regards to that. But I I know that Kyle's created this as a private residence, so it's totally different. He's throwing like parties with his friends kind of thing, it's not like a public venue, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 24:54

Cause like in New York, it's sort of like that where you can have as long as it's a private event, you can there's social consumption can can happen.

SPEAKER_07 25:04

Sure, and we've we've they've been a little more relaxed with like the cannabis like lounge licenses here, too. We've seen more of those popping up over like the past year or two, but I still think it's like it's technically illegal to like smoke a joint on the sidewalk walking through downtown or like in a public space where other people are. Um but when you do, I've never been stopped or questioned or anything. It's also like pretty common. So it's like I think it's one of those kind of like look the other way as long as you're not being like a nuisance, they'll kind of leave you alone.

SPEAKER_08 25:36

Got it. Right on.

SPEAKER_07 25:37

Let's kind of have a dab, Colin.

SPEAKER_08 25:40

I'm gonna do that right now.

SPEAKER_12 25:42

I'm giving you one, dude.

SPEAKER_08 25:42

Fucking. Oh, you're gonna hurt. Can I just get in? Let me go virtually. You know, can AI get to the physical world yet?

SPEAKER_03 25:51

I think so. All my friends are talking about it and driving me nuts. It seems pretty difficult. All right, dude, you gotta get on AI, bro. I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna stick to this hash making thing. I've been doing it 30 years. I feel confident in it. I've betted on it time and time again. Um, I'm happy to use anything as a tool, like this, for instance. You know what I was gonna mention is these dudes are on the level of like the highest connoisseur level, like the way it used to be with ships and torches, and you know, everyone's got all this crazy. It's amazing to see that that's happening with Puff Cos now. Like, literally, we were hitting the link last night through one of Kyle's glass pipes. We should actually probably pull out a link here in a bit. Sure.

SPEAKER_13 26:34

I brought the oh my god, dude. I was just thinking about the link. Oh, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_08 26:41

Who so who made who's uh who's works this? Who's oh Robertson?

SPEAKER_02 26:48

Oh this guy's fucking thing.

SPEAKER_08 26:52

Back of the head, I like it. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:57

He is so fucking talented.

SPEAKER_08 26:59

I like the giraffes too, those are cool.

SPEAKER_13 27:04

Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 27:06

No, I'm totally joking. I'll give you half this if you want. Dude, I know. It's not funny if you just be nice.

SPEAKER_02 27:23

Alright.

SPEAKER_08 27:25

Anyway, yeah, we'll uh I went to do some gardening today in the morning and I found like seven or eight volunteers just popping up.

SPEAKER_03 27:33

So volunteers.

SPEAKER_08 27:35

Yeah, just like little seedlings that you you know, you look down, you're like, oh, look at these guys.

SPEAKER_03 27:41

Hey, what are you doing down there? What are you doing here? What who would why how who put you here? I always think when I see a plant like that, um leave them. I'm always thinking, like, oh, I wonder if there's magic in there. I remember my friend Felix, he was owl genetics back in the days in Switzerland. I can't remember exactly where in Switzerland he lived, but it was like north of Lugano. And I went to his little outdoor grow, and he had a beautiful little cliffside outdoor grow in in the semi-south of Italy or Switzerland near the Italian border. And he would make water hash. And he had this big pile sort of over by this, it almost looked like a like a barbecue area that was all done in a rock wall, but it there was no barbecue or anything, it was just the rock wall, and he m did all this water hash in there and then dumped all of his flour behind it. And he must have had like 400 pounds of dumped, you know, weed. And I got there and there was like 150 plants growing out of it just in all directions. And I was just like, dude, what the fuck? He's like, Yeah, that's my he's like, that's my water hash crop. I smoke flour and I make seeds and dry sift with this, and that just this. He's like, the first time I ever did water hash, it grew me a whole crop and I turned it into water hash the next year, and that's what he does every year. His water hash grows out of his water hash graveyard where he makes essentially what this is.

SPEAKER_08 29:03

This is my water hash graveyard. Honestly, that's what it is. Straight up, that's literally where these seeds came from, which is funny because I was like, huh, I wonder which ones that these are. Like, I started rifling through my head. I was like, Oh, I watched this, I watched that. I'm like, it could be any one of these 14 varietals. I don't know. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 29:24

So that's like how you called them volunteers.

SPEAKER_08 29:26

Yeah, because they are, they just like volunteered to come out for some reason, and it's late too, brother. Like, I watched those all winter, like they've just been sitting there. That's awesome. That is awesome.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

Oh my goodness, I'm uh what a whirlwind tour, man. That was really fun yesterday doing that class. Low temp had everything set up so good. Their tools are so nice, everything's so nice.

SPEAKER_08 29:52

What did you uh so tell tell me about it? Like, what what did you uh you know how how did you go through the class?

SPEAKER_03 30:00

Like I opened the class with the history on water extraction. I wanted it, I wanted everyone to know about Ed Rosenthal, Neville, Skunkman Sam, Reinhardt Delp, Mila, uh, myself, and and anyone else who kind of played a part in the history of it. Because my history is just the history I learned. I'm not trying to manipulate it or put it in favor of it's just the story that we should know because it's it's cost me fucking hundreds of thousands of dollars to learn it, dude. Like, holy Christ. Those lawyers were absolutely spectacularly expensive. Uh, so I opened up with the history of water hash, kind of how I fit into it, a little bit of my story. Then I did like a 50 to 60 photo, macro photo from seed to resin, you know, showing them the the bitument off the the cautilodons, showing them all the the first set of leaves, the the trichomes on the epicodyl coming out of the cautilodon, like just kind of giving them all the terms. And when you have the terms and you have the pictures and you have it in your mind, like for me at least, I could start searching for these things and understanding, like, because before I knew the term glandular trichome, everyone called them trichromes. They were like, it's trichromes, bro. And if you search trichromes, like you'll never find anything, right? Like when I started searching glandular trichromes, I found university papers doing mint extracts, I found like a hundred different cultivars or different uh types of species of plants that secrete essential oils in glandular trichomes, yeah. But uh, you know, not having the right language, trichromes. Do you remember a single person calling it anything but trichromes? That's old VR, bro.

SPEAKER_04 31:42

Yeah, trichromes, bro.

SPEAKER_03 31:44

Every once in a while, someone super intelligent that I know will say trichromes, and I'll be like, I'll be like, whoa, what are you saying, dude? That is there's no R. It's not Chrome.

SPEAKER_08 31:55

It's not a Chrome. We're not we're not uh making rims here. We're not making rims, but I definitely remember saying trichrome for certain. 100%. I think we all did said and did a lot of things that were wrong, you know. Like I think the way Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, I never said that. You know, like I don't know. I thought back about how I used to dry stuff, and it just evolves, you know, you learn, and and there was no one at the time to tell us no or that's wrong. You kind of had to just figure it out. And I think that's the beauty of of where we're at today is that there's so many people. I I you know, I as I relate a lot to music, it reminds me of like beat making where like people are like, I figured out how to sidechain, learn how to sidechain this way. And there's all these different ways to do these different techniques together. Um, hell yeah. Um, and there's you know, and it's nice today to see people sharing that work online, and uh that's what I love about it is that we have a sense of community through creation, um, and we get generally excited to when someone else makes something, it gets you to go into your lab or your workspace and come out with something that you've made that's inspired by that. Which it's is such a cool call and response to um you know to the to the work and the work ethic. And you know, just being so into chasing that, you know, because it's we're all chasing sort of the same idea idea, but it's we're kind of how we get there is slightly different, which I kind of love, man. It's like the tools, everyone's got a different setup, you know, um, different RPMs.

SPEAKER_03 33:40

Uh well, you know, that's interesting that you say that because in teaching the class yesterday, one of the things I really found the most difficult was, you know, there's so many ways to do it. And I said, I said, look, and part of what makes you guys passionate about this, which I would never want to take away, is how you change little things to make it yours, yeah. To to could to connect to it even more, right? The hash making, whatever. All that I use a different technique. It's like exactly. So when you're teaching a class like that, the other thing is, am I teaching the hash maker that wants to take 10 times longer and make it 10 times more expensive to make a few grams of the best hash in the world? Or am I also teaching the hash maker how you keep your job is by making sure your investors and your owners and your bosses are creating margins on at least some products. So you can't just create like we just want to do 90 micron specific melts. We want to do uh, you know, like the most insanely low margin, high cost product. So I was simultaneously kind of teaching about trying to teach the hash maker like, look, when we were getting into freeze drying, I did a whole hour and a half on freeze drying yesterday, dude. I went super on the fucking the direction of the pull of the vacuum, the temperature of the you know, basically the three variables pull, temp, and time and how much hash you put in creates more pressure in the vessel. And we just went super deep on it, and it was like, holy shit, dude! Like, you can go deep down that rabbit hole. That was probably my favorite part of the course was the freeze drying uh component. I just made notes, like a 68-page note document. And uh in the end, I was like, I'm gonna give it to all. I told the students at the start of the class, I said, I'll just give this to you, uh, and then you don't have to like worry about like taking notes, and you know what I mean? Like, I'll just the whole thing point by point, everything I spoke on is in a document, and uh it's a document.

SPEAKER_08 35:40

It's an amazing subject. It's it's such a cool subject because it's it's I always say that's in contemporary hash, that's kind of where defines your your marker, you know, and quality because you've done all this work up until this like very definitive moment, dude.

SPEAKER_03 35:56

We're the dryers. That's what we can do.

SPEAKER_08 35:58

You can either overdry it, under dry it, you know, like there's all these these, you know, there's there's which is the best way to learn where the sweet spot is.

SPEAKER_03 36:07

I always I was telling them, like, don't be afraid to make mistakes, but make sure if you're making your worst mistakes, it's not on someone else's dollar. And a lot of these were like, I have good ideas, you know, but my boss doesn't necessarily want to listen to me. And I said, I can get your boss to listen to you, no problem. He said, How? I said, Tell your boss you have an incredible idea, you want to implement the idea, give him a hundred thousand dollars, and if you lose him any money, he can take it out of the hundred K. So then your idea is paid for by you instead of him. And he was like, Oh, yeah, he's like, That's true, I get it. Like, he didn't see it from the perspective. So, what I want to do is I want to connect the hash maker to owner mentality, so they're not doing this, right? But they're kind of doing this. It's like yeah, like so the other still make podium products, you just can't do it at a loss of a margin and and in a non-economically viable way.

SPEAKER_08 36:58

And here's another thing that I recommend, and I do this myself, even to this day as an owner. I do it on my own time, outside of the company, outside of the thing, outside of the concept, whatever it might be. If you're a grower, you know, it's it's running plants on your time, on your dime, to then maybe one day bring into uh an end table, to then add a couple more plants to that to see how that does, to then maybe take over a half a table to then fully take over a room. But not many people are willing to do that type of work. So you have to select and keep selecting and do it on, as Marcus said, on your dollar unless you want to give someone else the money. Um because yeah, that that variability of loss um is too great. So do the runs and then bring it in. And then you have the data, you have the you know, call it the risk mitigation that he that owner is looking for, and then you can actually bring new things. Um it's the only way. Um I wouldn't recommend just uh going for it because you're ultimately, like Marcus said, you're gonna lose time and time again. Yeah, so yeah, because it's your point, like freeze drying, you know, you can length is not your enemy. It's it's how well do you understand when you're pulling uh you know the heater on off at what mTOR, you know, you can't do it.

SPEAKER_03 38:25

Well, it's the relationship between all three of them, really. It's it's that that's that's the key. A lot of people don't understand it, which is fine because you can fake it till you make it by just getting settings from a post or a group. And once you get those settings, if you're like, uh, I don't know, I'm gonna go. You can just it's just direction, it makes it a little harder when there's a third variable because if there's just two, it's just going back and forth. Obviously, when there's that third one, it's also going up, and yeah, right, and then you got to really hit it right in the middle. Yeah, as I get older, I realize everything has a sweet spot, and the only way to discover it is by being aware enough that you even recognize the variables. And once you can recognize the variables, then you just tune them in. You're like, oh, there's two what to this, to that. Play around for a while. Maybe it takes a year, maybe it takes a week. Um, what a fun journey.

SPEAKER_08 39:19

Yeah, I mean we all failed until you don't fail anymore, you know, and then you fail differently, right? So that's that's kind of the the gist of it. So you have to be willing to try things um and be comfortable with that. I think you're you're nailing it. Um because you can't build a business in hash making um with that mentality that you and I both grew up on, basically, which was what we get is what we get.

SPEAKER_03 39:48

That's the thing. I know, dude.

SPEAKER_08 39:50

You know what I mean? Like you remember when we were just like happy to we got something from the bags, like it was yeah, I think people realize like it's it's evolved for I think for talk about it like this in such a different way. Not shitty yields.

SPEAKER_03 40:05

Not only did we get shitty yields, often it had no taste. Yes, because so much of the how much can we get and how fast can we get it, which is based on prohibition for like almost a hundred years, that focus that created a focal point on how people bred and sold and used cannabis specifically, which led us into this how much THC is there and how much does it cost, right? It's been prohibition has been responsible. Now we have something different, which I've been talking about a little bit since I've been here. We have all these young hash makers crossing plants and you know, phenostumbling, as Chimera might call it, right? And I get it. Like, yeah, those genetics, you put them in large groves, they're probably not going to produce, which is kind of an amazing thing that the hash makers who are growing these things in tents and on much smaller levels are almost protected from some of these flavor profiles getting into bigger companies because the genetics would I think when you breed specifically for flavor and wash amounts, then you are obviously dropping the ball on resistance to insects, resistance to uh powdery mildew viruses, bacteria, fungis, right? Like the plant, those are things that you have to strengthen and build in the plant through proper breeding. And no one in the hash making world is doing that. They're like just you know, making these beautiful crosses of incredibly awesome flavors, and it kind of protects it from ever going to a larger scale because of the way these plants are just being crossed, right? It's not like it's a three-year breeding project with 100,000 seeds, and but they both have such value, you know what I mean? Like Skunk Man Sam could take his skunk number one and plant five acres of it and get the greatest fucking hash off that shit that any of us have ever smoked. It melted my brain the first time I asked him, What where do you think the best weed in the world, like what conditions do you think the best weed in the world grow? And he's like, Oh, I could do it in a field, and I was like, A field, and even the word field, I was like, like field weed.

SPEAKER_08 42:08

It's like, yeah, with the right environment makes makes the the most sense to me. Um, yeah, you know, I I hear I hear loud. This is 25 years ago when I asked him. No, and and and he knows because you know, he's done the work with you know his lines and and he's put it together. You know, and it but it the the thing I also often think about is it also goes both ways because some of the the things that we cherish so much in our cultural circles, like chems and sours and um any of these offsprings of that are are as you said, things that we stumbled upon, right? These weren't weren't intentional outcrosses that someone made. So I think you know, a blend of of hedge zygity and you know, of of kind of what Sam's school of thought is, and this kind of you know, found object, if you will, of of flavor, if you you know, if you want to call it that, that we've kind of experienced from I want to say like the late 80s to the to the early 2000s, that that moment of genetic kind of um there's just like this wonder years of genetics that we had between that that decade. Um and I think that's the thing that you know we're all kind of chasing still to this day is that that 10 year, 10, 15 year period. Um from late 80s to like 2003, if you will. So um I just think we have to we have to really kind of understand that there's a lot of work to do on the genetic side still, even with everyone doing all this work.

SPEAKER_03 43:47

So yeah, no, absolutely. I obviously both sides have to exist, especially when you think of um you know, on the l the large scale of getting product out to the world. I just love this very tight hash. Community, everyone's kind of like simultaneously following these unsaid rules. You gotta have these jars, you gotta have them wrapped like this, and it'll it's just like a nice uh part of the culture, and it definitely feels like for sure. I don't think it could grow as fast without this because the rigs, I know a lot of us were willing to carry those around. It seems less and less people are willing to have torches, butane, isopropanol, dunk fucking tanks, dab rights, glass pipes, pelican cases, like fuck, dudes. It's like it is a relief. Honestly, I will compare it to photography. The fact that these things have gotten so fucking good that my $5,000 DSLR camera is now a paperweight. You think I want to carry that fucking thing around with nine lenses and four batteries and a fucking mic tripod that weighs 100 pounds because I do fucking macro photography. Oh, I better bring my macro lens and my MT24EX Canon dual flash, and I better fucking have all my chargers. Of course, I'm gonna forget them behind, and that'll cost 150 bucks every time I do it. Or I could carry this. This is to the DSLR, as this is to the expensive glass rig. And you know what? They put out the link, they're like, hey, you know what? We'll give you the link. You can still do it, you can operate it with this. This is too fucking convenient.

SPEAKER_08 45:22

The link is the digital back, right?

SPEAKER_03 45:24

Dude, it's just too convenient, and you get such yeah, exactly. You get such killer torches, are awesome if you're at home and not an idiot. I haven't used a torch in like two years since I got a D nail Universal Heater. My banger sits in that 247.

SPEAKER_08 45:37

You have a torch, but do you want to buy a box of gas? Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 45:41

No, I hate torches. Why do you love a torch? It's fucking such a I mean, I have a box of gas, but I don't buy it. Yeah, you turn it on at a party, and there's always someone like, oh you know, and you bring a whole group of people with torches and banger baskets and put them on beautiful wood tables like this, and uh then you spend three thousand dollars fixing said wood tables after Legends of Hash because of the damage that the alcohol and the fucking one girl lit her lit her whole banger basket on fire with her fucking torch.

SPEAKER_08 46:11

I was gonna say, I was gonna, yeah, the point that was like that's also a fire hazard because so listen when I told the story the other day.

SPEAKER_03 46:18

Remember when I only smoked with beeline? Yeah, I had the the hemp twine with the beeswax, and well, I was like that too ball a bit, and I was taking dabs off the ball and or uh rips off the ball, and I hit a rip out of my bong, and then I I I'd shake it to put it out, and then I'd put it down next to my desk. Well, dude, like four minutes or five minutes later, my wife walks into my office to bring me lunch and she goes, Why is your desk on fire? And I look over at it, and that ball has like a two-foot flame coming off of it. I was like, Holy shit, this is like a dangerous. That was kind of the beginning of the end for me, uh, of using uh that.

SPEAKER_07 47:02

Don't uh yeah. I think another important thing aspect of that is like whenever you go home for Thanksgiving, you've got like the aunties and your grandma and shit like that. It's like if you are in the bathroom with a torch every like 15 or 20 minutes, some grandmas and aunties might be totally cool with that, but others might think it's a little weird and think like for me, it's like this instead of being like something that makes people worry about you, it's it can start a conversation. It could be for somebody that's not used to hash, not used to dabbing, not used to torches, not used to bangers, and are like kind of skeptical of that, I think it can break down that barrier and start a conversation with them to where they're more open to it and they see it as not a hard drug or not something that's scary or not something that they should be worried about, and something that might be a gateway for somebody who might not have otherwise stepped through it. And I think that's important for growing the space. I think taking down the fear and the wariness of people who see some of those accoutrements that maybe like a blowtorch to make them wary, right? You can't fly with it, you know? And so, like, if you can't freak out grandma and you can start a conversation with her and she can feel better about it and maybe one day take a dab with you, like that's progress to us, right? And again, like I said earlier, it's tools in a tool belt. No one's trying to replace a torch. Uh, we all everybody here, Puffco in here, we got rigs right off camera. Everybody hits rig dabs, right? But it's like I can't hit them all the time. I can't hit them when I go with my wife and kid to a wedding, and I don't want my mother-in-law and father-in-law seeing me go away with a torch all the time. It's like I've got tools in my tool belt so that I can do what I want to do, which is smoke hash all the time with my friends. So I just saw some of the comments, so I just wanted to like throw that out there. Of like, that's that's what I feel is important. It's like it's starting conversations and it's breaking down barriers so that we can be more mainstream, so that we can have so that we can put more people on to our favorite hash makers, so we can put more people on to our favorite glassmakers, so we can put people on to our favorite artists, like Scully Vibes over here. It's like that's what we want to do. We just want to put people on because we love it. Scully, say hi.

SPEAKER_09 49:12

All right, I'll think on it. Sorry. I'm like trying to figure out my iPad stuff.

SPEAKER_07 49:19

Yeah, that's what the reserve's about. Just trying to put people on to the dope shit that we love.

SPEAKER_03 49:24

You know, so well said in regards to it's all and I've I've talked about this quite a bit. There were billions of dollars put into the propaganda against cannabis, and all of those things that got tied in there will always get the reaction of maybe creating worry in some of your loved ones rather than comfort, and you know, and um, the volcano was one of the first companies to design something that was so radically different that it didn't fit into the prohibition of cannabis, and they've designed it for hospitals so people could have these bags in hospitals. And I think whether you guys tried or not, you designed these just enough that they don't stand out in public as a drug tool, they don't fit into the prohibition of cannabis. Like people don't be like, you know, maybe this one, but even really not. But like the the core, the pivot, absolutely not. Even the proxy with the original pipe. I'd hit that shit at like my kids' soccer game, like all debonair, and I just hit it like it was a pipe, and no one looked or anything. So, I mean, I'm in Vancouver, I'm in a very cannabis-friendly spot, but I think that these do not create that discomfort. Like you said, they do they do create a conversation and a dialogue, and because it's so different and unique and futuristic, people especially listen in Canada, it's federally legal, so that fits the mindset. Like 80% of the people that are like, I won't ever do that, they just go, Oh, I'll try that now. And you'll be like, What? Oh, yeah, I was never against it. It was just illegal. Sure, it's like fuck, I kind of could have it seemed like you were against it. Well, it's like I was because it was illegal. Yeah, I'm like, okay, that's interesting. Like, I've never been so fervent in listening to a law before.

SPEAKER_07 51:08

Totally, and that's like the weird and complicated part of the states, right? It's like we're in Colorado, right here, where cannabis is completely legal, but one state over in Kansas, it's completely not, and so you always have to be aware and cognizant of where you're going. But another part of the PUFCO is like you can fly with it, so like that's nice, dude. It makes travel easy.

SPEAKER_03 51:27

Listen, I like landing and and having a tool that I can uh that I can rip right away.

SPEAKER_07 51:33

Totally.

SPEAKER_03 51:33

That's what I loved. My first trip to Jamaica. We drove five minutes outside of the airport. Anyone that went to Jamaica in the 90s would know this, probably still the same way. There was just a dude standing on the side of the road holding a big bud, and I was like, pull over, I want to see that. I looked and it was actually like a nice bud. And I bought it off the guy, and I was like driving down the road five minutes later, like rolling this weed. This was in like '95. I thought this is an amazing place. This is definitely uh a place I can get behind. How you doing, Fletch? Long time, brother.

SPEAKER_09 52:03

How's it going, guys?

SPEAKER_03 52:05

It's going good, dude. Are you back home now?

SPEAKER_09 52:07

Yep, for a minute. And then back to uh Hawaii. Uh no, I've been all over Michigan and doing it.

SPEAKER_03 52:17

Dude, I was just in Michigan.

SPEAKER_09 52:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:21

We should have linked up in Michigan.

SPEAKER_09 52:23

Well, yeah. I well, I was there a couple weeks ago. I've just been all around. I got a bunch of shit I'm moving around.

SPEAKER_03 52:29

Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, I was just there uh maybe 10 days ago, so it was very close. I went to the exchange there. I was uh it was good. I'd never been there. I do prefer Colorado though, I will say. They got up.

SPEAKER_09 52:42

Yeah, I mean it's um you know, Colorado's got the uh was first to market, but it looks like Michigan's taking over the rain in terms of uh smaller states that in terms of market share and uh you know continuing operations, I guess. You know, there's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_03 53:01

I think we can thank Ohio uh for a big chunk of that. My my lab is next to exclusive, which I think is the biggest dispensary or the busiest or most sale dispensary in the state. Um my lab is literally right next to it. It's painted like a cookies building, it's all blue, and I guess they were gonna do something with cookies uh in Monroe. I'm guessing. In Monroe, giant signs, welcome out of state, hundreds of cars in the parking lot, all Ohio uh plates. And my buddy was like, Yeah, dude, this is why we're so big in Michigan. Like it's you know, it's like, why do you think Oklahoma has the most store dispensaries in in all of the U.S., like thousands, because of the bordering states that aren't legal.

SPEAKER_09 53:46

Exactly. Yeah. Um, I think that'll quickly change, though. I mean, as we've seen, I mean, it I always make this point. It's only been 10 years since like there was a lack of weed everywhere and and uh very few legal spots, and now you've already got overproduction and everything else, um, you know, quickly at everybody's heels. So it'll be it'll be interesting the next five years, I think, to see where uh where it all ends up or or what states end up with the best laws, costs of operations, etc., especially with uh schedule three coming in, at least for medical operators.

SPEAKER_03 54:26

Yeah, it seems like a lot of well, and some of the states like are only medical, right? So I guess they're gonna they gotta get their DEA export or whatever that license is, medical license to Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 54:38

Well, I mean theoretically, like Oklahoma is all medical. Um, so it's like you know, places like that may be able to take advantage of schedule three coming online and then being able to export product or whatever it may be. Sick. Yeah, or import.

SPEAKER_03 54:54

You know. They always like to export more than import.

SPEAKER_09 54:59

If they have well, I think that's true for I think that's true for any business. I mean, if you look at any any industry, there's only two types of businesses that really work there's local supply and then there's international distribution. Anything other than that, you kind of get eaten up in between because you're not accessing all the markets that want your product, but you're not really servicing your local people at whatever level they want. Yeah, true story.

SPEAKER_03 55:26

Well, when are you gonna get out to uh Colorado?

SPEAKER_09 55:30

Um I'm not sure. You know, that high elevation, it's uh it's it's uh hard to live in a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 55:38

Really? I think I spend so much time on top of Whistler Mountain that if I don't feel affected by it at all.

SPEAKER_09 55:44

Yeah, for me, like when I lived in Colorado, just the the elevation and stuff and the dryness, especially in the wintertime, man, it was just it was just brutal.

SPEAKER_03 55:53

The dryness I feel. The dryness I feel. I'm definitely like the inside of my nose is like a little bit sore.

SPEAKER_09 56:00

That's that's my issue. And with weed allergies and then the that kind of climate. Oh man, it's you know, I got the chapstick out rubbing my nose instead of my lips. 100%, man.

SPEAKER_03 56:13

Just yell for a couple of days for a visit one day. We'll do some fucking crazy shit at the reserve here. Cool. There's a mad session going on here. It's actually pretty impressive. Like these guys are fucking smashing dabs right beside me. This dude has not stopped since we got here. What type is that actually?

SPEAKER_10 56:36

This is uh lurk of the world.

SPEAKER_03 56:37

Lurk? Yup Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_10 56:42

Like a frog alien sculpture.

SPEAKER_03 56:43

It's a frog alien sculpture, dude. Come on, you know better.

SPEAKER_13 56:48

Scullies over here just fucking drawing up a stone.

SPEAKER_03 56:59

I got the crew. Nice and mellow. So this is my last day after two weeks of traveling in the US, my longest trip here since uh I was able to come here uh 30 years ago. Uh it was great, fun. Colorado's awesome. I quite like it. I'm not affected by the uh I don't get the dizzy thing, I don't have the uh allergies, but I definitely feel the dry nose. But um I can't let that stop me. It's fucking it's too much fun. So after my course yesterday, I did a course with Low Temp Fletch. Um just like a small little class at their facility. Oh, you know, going over um watching and pressing and freeze drying and sort of lab and equipment setup and uh a couple other things, history and some photos, but uh it was pretty sick. Everyone's puffing the whole the whole class through, and then at the end of it, I hit my buddy Kyle up and I'm like, hey man, I want to invite some of these dudes, you know, back to the back to the reserve. And he's like, invite all of them, like all of them. So we had like a ton of them come back after the fucking uh the event last night, and we just smashed abs for my god, I think it was till midnight. It was really quite lovely. Reserve equals private Denver venue downtown for classy cannabis events. That is true, Kello Midi. That's Kellow Midi. There's Katie. I pray you have you have safe travels home. Thank you, Katie. I guess I'm not gonna see you again. I guess you're not coming over for hashtag. Did you? Yeah. Well, what the heck?

SPEAKER_04 58:29

Katie. I don't know. She might have messaged me and I probably forgot.

SPEAKER_03 58:35

Um Jen Doe, Jendo was gonna come on today. I don't know if you guys saw her post of that weird shit she found in her hash.

SPEAKER_08 58:42

It was like Oh, the the riff from radiation. Yeah, I've seen that before.

SPEAKER_03 58:46

Um I don't know exactly what it is. Everyone's guessing, I think.

SPEAKER_08 58:50

It looks like I think it's stocks, but yeah, anyway.

SPEAKER_03 58:55

One guy said something that really resonated with me. He was like, I've seen that before when there were plants grown near the greenhouse that like release these little seedly things, and I remember seeing them one time too. These just they look like systolite hairs, they kind of look like the same glance, except they're long and stretched out, but they don't have like that specific like sections of their body the way powdery mildew does.

SPEAKER_08 59:20

It looks like sister hairs to me, but but anyway, anyway. Well, we should get it tested, man. I mean, why not? So you was gonna come on and talk about it.

SPEAKER_03 59:27

She started quite a conversation online. There was definitely like, look, nobody knows what it is, right? How can you? You can guess, but there was a lot of good guesses. I was actually surprised as to the amount of guesses that people had.

SPEAKER_09 59:40

Yeah. Well, I think I think the real question is, is it part of the cannabis plant or is it something else? Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 59:46

That is the question.

SPEAKER_08 59:48

It's definitely the question.

SPEAKER_03 59:49

That is especially when the guy came in and said, I've seen that with weeds growing next to my plants before they blew over in the wind and got attached, and then we like, you know, they ended up in our in our head heady.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:01

Well, if you look at um, if you look at powdery mildew um fruiting bodies uh um under a microscope, it the spores are set are it cut it comes out of the leaf and it sends out like what looks like a hair, and then there's a spore at the end of the hair. Um that would be my guess.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:23

It's a good guess. It's a solid guess. I mean that's what the work at medicinal genomics that I saw resulted in, and it's like very surface level. Like it anything you get off the surface level, you it'll it'll hook back in. And if you if you leave it for long enough, it'll just on that same site it will grow back again. If you plate it, you can watch it in time lapse.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:47

Yeah, yeah. I mean, like just because you like the it's it's just like it's just like a mushroom, right? You'll never see a mushroom until you see the fruiting body. And uh and so you know, powdery mildew is invisible until you see the actual mushroom growing, and then if even if you get rid of the mushroom, the mycelial network or the you know, the anchor essentially in the case of powdery mildew is still there, and it's it you haven't killed it, and that's why you need translaminar pesticides to actually kill it or eradicate it, at least from that site.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:21

You can I think you can use um you know products like like cease, you know, that has uh you know a particular bacteria that will sit on the leaf area and surface area. It's just your application rate has to be quite often. You know, isolate something like that.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:42

Well, you basically have to prevent spores from germinating on the leaf surface. Essentially, that's what you're doing. You're saying, hey, we're gonna take up this real estate with this bacteria, it's so that a fungus can't uh can't attach itself here.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:57

Yeah. Hey Fletch, did you see uh what James and Bike did with the AGI intelligence and hash church recently?

SPEAKER_09 1:02:05

No, I just saw like your post maybe yesterday talking about it or something like or a couple days ago talking about it. Yeah, they created how it's like searchable or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:14

It's it's all searchable, dude. They created it, like they made Hashchurch, all of our words, a database. They transcribed everything and then they put it into this intelligent AGI thing. I don't understand it exactly. It's not an LLM, it's not like a language learning model or a large learning model language model. Um, but it's incredible, dude. It's supposed to go live literally, really quick. I think James uh is in the room. Bike, I've been texting, he hasn't replied. He's here in Colorado. I was kind of hoping he'd come over and maybe chat about it. But uh yeah, we could literally like how many people have asked you over the years, what episode did you guys talk about? This I kind of would like to go back and it's like all you have to do is search it, and then it'll pop up links of every time we spoke about those things. And then you click the link and it takes you to that point on the video where it was so that the answer is in the words of the person they're looking to get the answer from, right? If they were like, Oh, Fletch was talking about like I can't remember, it was something about freeze dryers and screens, and they punch in Fletch freeze dryer screens, and then like every time you ever spoke about any of those things on Hash Church, a link comes up that is like boop, click on it and listen to what you said. It's fucking super cool, dude.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:24

Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty cool, just uh having like a a conglomerate conglomerating app, you know, where it takes all the information and actually is able to uh you know take a lot of human hours to do the same.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:38

Yeah, it's definitely someone just said finally some useful AI. I have to say, um, I was super, super impressed with it. It's gonna go live right away uh in a week, I think. It'll be at hash bible.org. Uh, and that'll be kind of there's a little, they've created a nice little web page and it sort of shows like the the panelists and the local the the people that are on more often than not. Uh, and then the search function, which lets you just uh yeah, I mean all of that information is so valuable, but it's hasn't been valuable because you'd have to go back and listen to 2,000 hours to find any one thing you wanted to hear. Uh, and that's not really that's not that's not reasonable. So sweet, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:21

No, it's it's pretty cool. I'm I'm always about anything that's uh you know, putting putting all the the data information in a more readable format, especially if it's verbal history, because like you said, there's no real way to collect that information without watching hours and hours and hours of content. Some of it, most of it probably isn't relevant to whatever the question you're actually asking is in that certain circumstance.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:47

Yeah, exactly. And I've just had literally like hundreds of people over the years ask me, Do you remember when Skunkman Sam talked about like flipping the plants, but only for like a couple hours or something to find the females and the males? And I was like, dude, seriously, like how the fuck could I possibly remember? Yes, I remember it absolutely. It was at uh one hour and 47 minutes, it was episode blah blah blah blah blah. I wish I could. Um, but I that we've done too many shows, man. I just uh and and talked for too many hours.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:17

The tism isn't strong enough.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:19

Did you see that uh Hash Church uh peeked out at the in the top 100 church podcasts of Canada? We are number three in the top 100 church podcasts in Canada. Did do you know that, Fletch?

SPEAKER_09 1:05:36

That that sounds like a good thing for weed, but maybe bad for religion. Dude. If weed religion is has become one of the top three religions, then you know we better get on the spaghetti monster and all the other ones, too, then.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:51

Absolutely. Oh my god, dude. Anyway, it was it was hilarious. I I'm thinking some guy who's like, I'm gonna do an article, I'm gonna hire a Claude agent. To like scrape the internet and create a hunt because like as if there's even a hundred fucking church podcasts in Canada, like that seems like a lot.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:09

It's kind of hard to believe because you you think like there's those people, maybe in Canada, I guess, because you guys are kind of ahead on this curve, but at least in the US, we've got like uh Texas and all these places that have those mega churches where they make millions of dollars. You'd think they'd have a podcast with millions of viewers, but I guess nobody in Canada watches that shit.

SPEAKER_13 1:06:32

I think you're right.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:32

I guess Dr. Joel or Joel Osmond or whatever the guy's name and all those scammers in Texas, they're not popular in Canada.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:40

My god, yeah, they don't even know we exist. They think we're like uh we live in igloos.

SPEAKER_13 1:06:46

I mean, at this point it might be getting close. It's not far off, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:51

Crushing the economy, just crushing the economy.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:55

Or just it's uh suicidal empathy, it's becoming a problem, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:00

Yeah, that is exactly the term. It is suicidal empathy. It's absolutely bad shit bonkers. It's like uh and it's strange. I don't even think it's suicidal empathy, I think it's weaponized nurturing and empathy, right? They're like they're there's they're weaponizing the nurturing of a certain group who wants to nurture and care for the vulnerable, and then they they they pay at the expense of everybody else, of course.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:30

Of course, dude. Yeah, it's everything's fine to pay for as long as you don't have to pay for it.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:37

Hey, hey, we don't say that out loud here on Hash Church. We're trying to maintain our third place uh hash church podcast our church podcast. Oh my god. What kind of piping's hopping on there? What are you hitting there, Fletch?

SPEAKER_09 1:07:55

Um, I've got some new diesel 90 micron first run.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:59

Fuck yeah, let's puff full melt.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:01

Full melt.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:02

Let's puff full melt, dude. We got some great. This is a bubble man brand full melt here in Colorado. It's lemon head, and it is uh killer. It's so it's such a nice high. Like it's um the high is just so enjoyable. It's been a long time since I've been puffing so many varieties of like everyone has incredible hash. There's just so much, there's so much beautiful hash just on the table right now. But I hit this the other day for the first time when my partner Dan brought it over, and I was like, dude, this is this is that high that I'm looking for.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:36

So yeah, that's a popular one in Colorado for sure. I think uh, you know, the lemon g has kind of always been a popular flavor in Colorado because it was one of the early flavors to kind of hit the market there. And BHO lemon g is like really distinct in BHO form. And since Colorado was kind of the home of BHO there for many years, I think the local consumer there kind of really developed a a palate for that that um yeah, for that that that flavor profile and the effects of it because lemon g is definitely a unique plant. Um it's most useful probably in uh breeding, but just in it in and of itself, it's also got a lot of unique traits.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:24

It's a cool plant. It's like got these big long spears, you know, and um it's uh I have a bunch of clones in it of it behind me. Um I grew it last year again for the first time after growing it in 2019 commercially. It's not a great commercial plant, to your point. It's a terrible commercial plant, but the flavor is amazing. And to your point, in terms of breeding, I think it's it gives you such an awesome tool for whatever direction you want to take it. Whether you want to go orange, lemon, I mean, it's really kind of it takes a lot of work to use it though.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:08

It's uh it does, it spits out a lot of trash and a lot of uh long flowering, kind of just midsy, um let's call it land race type of plants. Um, you know, not useful in any way. You get a lot of those, but I'd say it's probably about five percent is usable of the hybrids that are usable for the next generation, and then the other 95%, they just don't have the traits that make it a a plant you can use all around.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:41

It but that lemon smell, man, I think you would agree is so unmistakable from that particular plant. It's it's like there's nothing that produces that particular lemon that I've found at all.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:53

Yeah, well, what's interesting about the lemon G, especially when you hybridize it, is the five percent I'm talking about is the ones that have the lemony part of the flavor, and then all pretty much the rest of it is all a mixture of like pine wreath, kind of Christmas wreath, um you know, kind of kind of like a land racy uh pine, not necessarily haze, but kind of in that direction. Um, and they just yeah, they're just not very desirable. I I call it the lemon tree turp, right? It's like that lemon tree and lemon g, they're similar, but they're also different. And uh lemon tree produce seems to produce a lot less lemony hybrids in general, uh, than the lemon g. You'll actually get that pure lemon out of it.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:39

I agree 100%.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:41

No, I always say that to people that are like Scott's pipe agrees as well.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:47

You know, that are trying to work with lemon lines and they they go right to a lemon tree. I'm like, you should really be working with the lemon G because those traits are actually gonna be passed on, you know, and yeah, you're gonna search through a bunch of stuff, but that's the point to search through a bunch of point, a bunch of stuff, and then point your nose in some sort of direction that you decide I'm not gonna, you know, can't make that up for you. But um, yeah, I think people misconstrued um to your point when they're going after breeding for flavor, how to arrive at that said flavor. Um, because it's uh it's there's yeah, it's it's more than meets the eye, you know.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:28

Well, and I I think a lot of the time a lot of people are they're breeding with the intention of what the financial benefit is, not necessarily how much work they're gonna have to put in to get where they're trying to go, or it what it depends on what their goal is, I guess, where you're trying to go. But the like, for example, with lemon tree, it produces a lot more manageable plants, and uh they are better appealing from a bag appeal and everything standpoint as a percentage of the population, but the other parts um the other stuff if it's not as good, whereas the lemon G has all the ugly plants, but the better flavor. So, yeah, you know, what's your goal? Better plants or you know, more unique flavor, I guess.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:12

Yeah, and then also I would also argue the lack of male selection and leaning into the females to grab traits from, I think is an issue.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:24

Um, I think that's led to the some of the diversity issue we have because you you've guys heard me say for years how I think that males obviously they produce different results because you can't test the males, but then yeah, that there seems to be a genetic component that you get more variation with males, and then you saw Kevin McKernan, you know, did the genome, and there is more D more uh genes to be used.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:48

So yeah, I think you and I text back and forth or message back and forth. I I think we both agree that reversing males is go go do that, kids.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:59

You know, uh yeah, uh well for the amount like reversing males is useful, but it's still about the progeny at the end of the day. It's like the the thing everybody wants to avoid is growing out a thousand plants, and that's really the most important part of the whole process, regardless of what parents you use or what the keeper male was, or this or that. The real the real part of breeding is growing out the seed plants and finding the combinations because one parent you can be trying to make the same cross, uh, but using two different parents produce two different results. 100.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:33

Sub Jen.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:34

Hi good, how are you? Hey Jen. Hi, welcome, welcome. Thank you. How was your class? That looked great. It was fun, you know. I I really quite enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:47

The low temp guys are just awesome. Well, the low temp people, uh, because Kenzie is certainly an amazing uh woman as well. Uh Cliff and Scott and Matt and um all of them. They're just uh they're just Levi really good folks. I can see why uh they're so supported here in Colorado and even uh around the US and North America. Like they definitely have an incredible core group of people that are constantly going there. It seems like a super incredible hash hub. Um that people are just kind of uh I mean, you were talking about going there the other day and smoking a bunch of hash.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:22

Yeah, we were there like two or three times last week. Every time we go by and smoke with those guys, they're the best. Kinsey's the best, Hunter's the best, Matt's the best, all those dudes. Great equipment. Take great care of us. Love them dearly.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:33

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:34

Oh, that the facility looks really nice too.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:36

It really is, and honestly, their equipment uh that new little mini washer, it's like a the perfect replacement for like the plastic washing machine. Like that those should never be used in a commercial environment. Those things are so like so fully contaminated. But this thing was easy to use, super chill, had a very unique little dial on it in order to like you know hone in on your RPMs and your time. And it had a nice little um like what looked to be like a well-built um high-level um thermometer, which I I told it in my class, like you should really create redundancy and make sure, especially a lot of these guys like to use chillers and not ice, and so you have to constantly monitor the temperature of the water, or um, you could miss it. It could you could go from zero degrees to four degrees, and all of a sudden you're like you've just lost 30% of your yield because the heads aren't releasing. So it was cool. Went over a bunch of stuff and a lot of cool people in the class from from all over, and then we had a huge session afterwards and smoke hash for hours uh here at the reserve, at Kyle's reserve. Me, Kyle, Jen. Hello, hi Kyle and Scott.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:46

Hi, Scott. Hello, how are you?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:49

Good, yeah. Sounds like a good time. Sorry I missed it. Say hi to Jen.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:56

Hello, Joey. Nice to meet you too. Joey's with Puffco as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:01

Oh, nice. Hi Joey.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:03

The awesome hash dudes, awesome. And then these guys are over on the other side of the camera. They're Scully's creating some super. Yeah, he's got cactus over there, he's got herbs and mushrooms. He's drawing live again. We should uh it's too bad we don't have like him in a box so people could be watching this. Yeah, we need him in the box. Put Scully in the box, man. What are you doing? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Next time. So uh yeah, you had uh some weird shit show up in your hash.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:32

Yeah, so that was actually last year, and I'm a little disappointed that I don't have it so that we could plate it and see what it is. But uh the most interesting part was was that so I went over all the possibilities, you know. That's why I originally thought maybe it was PM, but I didn't see anything prior to like those couple swipes that it picked up. So it almost felt like it happened during the swipe. So it was like the the phenomenon was like the fucking trichomes burst and then strung out, and then instead of just being oil that you know would happen, it's it was collecting statically on on the scraper. Um, but there was no visibility of anything prior to that, and it was after I want to say like the second or third pass all the way through all the screens. So yeah, I don't know, it was a mystery, but I definitely hit them up when that happened after doing all my research and was like, what happened? This is not anything I've ever seen before, and I've ran enough hashed in so many different ways that I would think that I would have come across something like that before, but that was the first. It looked like uh little strings of cotton candy. It was very interesting. So, you know, people have done different uh suggestions, like uh, you know, maybe it's the systelic hairs, or maybe it's this or that. And I just I think that if it was anything like that, it would have potentially came up before. That's kind of why I posted that to see if anybody else had seen that happen. Um, it was definitely my first time ever running uh radiated material, but they they didn't tell me that beforehand. Like they told me nothing. Like, here you go, this is great. This is from uh a nice greenhouse in Long Island, and when I processed it, I was like, what is happening right now? It was from a greenhouse. It was from a greenhouse. So the uh the fact of like coming from like outdoor plants and you know things like that doesn't really track. Um they didn't use rock wool, so that doesn't really track. Um it didn't show up in the other two batches that I did, but I don't think those ones were radiated. This was the only one that this actually happened with.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:50

And again, like it's open?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:52

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:53

The window there was no like openings in the greenhouse.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:56

No, it was closed greenhouse.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:59

Yeah. Interesting. Well, yeah, you can never know, I guess, if you can't test it.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:04

Yeah, that was the disappointing thing. But yeah, so made me kind of start questioning what is the radiation actually potentially doing to those heads that could maybe have contributed to that, because you would think if it was any of the other suggestions, then as I was scoping it through all of the different screenings that I would have seen something, but I didn't. And that's why I didn't think it was stocks either, because I was not able to see any stocks. I was at the end process of refining that to 99%, and it showed up, and I was like, what in the hell is this?

SPEAKER_09 1:20:41

Well, I think I think that it's irradiated is a good indicator that it was contaminated product.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:46

Yeah, and that's what I thought too.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:48

So it's probably you know, they probably it sounds like somebody knew there was something wrong with that product because otherwise, why did it get irradiated?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:56

Yeah, exactly. So that's why I kind of leaned into the PM option on that. But again, when I was my guess when I was scoping any of the other material prior to that happening, it was not it was not visible in there.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:08

Did it look like this here? That you that this figure that I have here at all?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:13

So it looked similar, um, because I had definitely looked all of that up when I was processing it to try and figure it out. Because I had to reach out to to the company I was I was refining this for and have them reach out to the greenhouse, and I was just like, what happened in the grow? Because this is not normal. Um, so that's when they let me in on the fact that it was uh radiated, but they did not say what for. So I assumed it was PM, but not being able to see any of that prior to that very last refinement was was the interesting part to me. And also the fact that I'm sure that I've I've ran material that people haven't told me has had PM, and still I've I've never come across that. So I was kind of hoping somebody else would be able to be like, oh yes, I've had that happen. Um, but a lot of it just seems like we're just gonna have to speculate at this point. I would like a little more research into you know what those rad machines are actually doing to the trichome heads, because is it the heads that they are potentially destabilizing? And so then, you know, it it's creating the ability for those heads to maybe be unstable and pop, but then potentially like solidify, which would explain the screens. Um don't know though.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:32

Those those isn't isn't a radiation basically just microwaving the weed?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:37

I mean, you say that online and people get all technical with no, it's gamma rays, and then they're like, no, it's radiation, and it's not like a microwave. And I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:46

I've passed in a microwave before, and it doesn't do anything, so that's one one thing I can tell you.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:53

Yeah, so I'm not totally sure. I have no idea. Yeah, I just know there's a lot of companies pushing for that to happen on a large scale that they're they're gonna do that uh for cleanliness, and usually it's MS.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:07

I think if they need to irradiate their weed, they need to go out of business.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:11

Yeah, they definitely shouldn't be passing it to me to refine it and expect that I'm not gonna find that there's something happened. I mean, as hash makers, like we're gonna find it. We might not know what it is at the time, but we're gonna find it and be like, this isn't something happened.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:28

Something's 95% of the hash makers are happy to just take the product, turn it into something, and get paid for it. They don't care what they find.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:36

Yeah, yeah, exactly. No, they actually tried they tried to push this out under my brand, and I actually had to call the dispensary after I told them no, this is not up to my quality standards, especially after finding out that they put it through the rad machine. Um, I actually had to call the uh the dispensary and tell them they had to take that off the shelves and re-sticker it to their brand because I told them not to put it out and they wouldn't listen. Needless to say, that was the last job I ever did with that company.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:03

So yeah, that's too bad. So, guys, those that are listening that are watching um and listening, the figure A is a micrograph of uh condea, and um B is germinating is a germinating condium. Um C is an asprium uh indicated by the arrow right there. Um that's right at the kind of right at there. It's it's what grows out of the the actual main stem. And all these things as you as are highlighted are are micron sizes that we collect. So if you're you know using material that has this type of bacteria and microorganisms on it, um, they are in those those micron ranges, so you should be aware of that.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:53

Well, the likelihood that you cleaned up product and ended up with this in as your contaminant in the same micron ranges that you would be processing the material you're looking for, it's a good indicator that it was likely powdery mildew.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:06

Yeah, very likely. Which then brings us to the discussion of why are we allowing these rad machines when we're if if if that is powdery mildew, it's clearly still present and should not be offered to medical patients.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:20

I mean, if you made if you made powdery mildew, um either contamination of it or contamination of the products that people use to prevent it, I'd guess that more than 70% of the product in the market would probably have to be destroyed. I mean, it would it would absolutely destroy most of the large commercial grows if they had to pass um either sulfur testing or powdery mildew testing.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:48

Yeah. Yeah, and and D for the which I'd be fine with.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:52

Yeah, I think that's sad state of the world.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:54

Boomer, get rid of it. What you're saying is is real, uh Fletcher. I think the the reality that there's like a you get a hall pass, so to speak, to basically kill bacteria and then sell it to people as killed dead bacteria on you know, biomass or or plant material that you're then wrapping a sticker around and marketing and spending dollars and cents on at a retail level is just absolutely insane to me. You know, it's it's just embarrassing. It's not why any of us when we were younger got involved in doing this at all. It was to have actually things that were clean and to learn from the mistakes that, yeah, you're gonna have bad batches, that's gonna happen. But how you handle it, I think, defines everything, you know, to your point. Like, why would you just send it to a rad machine when you either could send it to BHO or something, some other processing technique to get some sort of value out of it, and just it's it's just it should just be crop failure.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:58

Like you failed with your crop and it needs to be destroyed. There's no remediating it, there's no turning it into something else, there's no making it better. You grew a fucked up product, you don't know how to do your job that well, and you shouldn't be in business. And like that's just I agree with that. That's just how it is. It's like and it's like if you can't absorb the cost of doing business like that, then why are you in this business? It's just like if you can't if you can't build a safe car for people to drive in, why the hell would we let you build cars?

SPEAKER_08 1:27:29

Yeah, no, but the sapphire.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:30

If everything's gonna be a G an AMC gremlin and gonna catch on fire when you drive it, I think AMC needs to go out of business.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:37

I think you're right. And I think that there's there's there's more, there's probably a handful of brands that you and I both know that actually should be in business, and the rest should probably not be here. Agreed. And that's it.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:51

It'd be really great if instead of putting money towards the rad machine, these larger corporations that are usually the culprits of this for the most part. I mean obviously we all have issues, but this is a systemic issue within these larger corporations. Maybe instead of putting extra money towards these rad machines in this situation, I don't know, maybe hire an experienced grower that can actually solve these problems instead of penny pinching and shortchanging every single grower that goes in there because they are not going to be able to find the quality of grower that they need to solve these problems if if they continue to try and pay 60 grand a year, you know?

SPEAKER_08 1:28:30

100%. So this is can you guys see this figure here? This is I thought this was kind of a a great figure. It's not obviously uh cannabis sativa, but um it's very much what happens, you know, on our our leaf surface areas when it's infected. And it's the cycle, right? It's it's that sexual reproduction that happens um time and time again.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:57

So just machines don't take any of that out. It's like they're like, oh, it deactivates it. And it's like, okay, so that's gonna stop it from actually like creating more. But when we put flame to it or heat from a vaporizer, we're deactivating it before it's in our lungs anyway. So that really is just doesn't make any sense to me.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:19

Yeah, I it's literally just there to keep these big companies in business. That's all it is. And I mean, like you're saying, uh, you know, they could try to pay more money to hire a good grower. Show me the good growers because if you've got them, I would be hiring them. They're not out there. I've kind of made this point recently: is like, look, there's basically no come up for a good grower these days, right? If you're a 20-year-old kid and wants to learn how to grow weed, you can't grow four lights of whatever seeds you buy and expect to make any money. You got to go buy clones of products that people actually want to buy, and then you get powdery mildew on the clones, and it's the same process. These no one's really learning. And most of people that are my age or older that that had the financial benefit of illegal weed to give them years of experience to teach them, they're either successful in doing it or they've retired. Um, and there's really no educational system for anybody in between. So you got these people investing tens of millions of dollars into these big grows, expecting to be able to hire someone even four well into the six figures a year and expect to get results. And it's like, well, if that guy really knew how to grow 50 million dollars a year worth of weed, why the hell are you paying him 150 grand a year to do it? He it he's clearly not that qualified because if he was that qualified, he wouldn't need your fucking job. So it's like it's a it's an oxymoron for finding these people that can actually operate.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:46

Yeah, yeah, I used to say that all the time. It's like you could there was a time where you could sit on your couch and make a living, right? Uh still can. Yeah, no, it's it's you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:58

Um, it's just I still I tell people, I think it's important to tell the chat running four to twenty lights, depending on your skill level, and and having a unique genetic and growing it exceptionally with no contamination at all. Uh you'll make more money doing that if you do it right with way less work than you'd ever make working for a weed corporation for the most part. Um, the only reason you'd want to work for a weed corporation is like the stability of it, but I would argue that most of these businesses are a couple months away from bankruptcy, anyways, in most cases, especially the bigger they are. I mean, look at the top 10 um uh MSOs in America. Every single one of them would be insolvent if they paid their tax bill, except for true leave and GTI. I think that's it.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:44

Yep. No, you you're totally calling it right. Um, it's why those that are in you know, director and up positions should be demanding real salaries, you know. Otherwise, you should be doing exactly you should also be doing exactly what you what Fletch just said. Um, because it's you know it helps own your skill sets. You know, it's also where you can learn a a lot about um you know how certain varietals work and how that scales and how that goes back into commercialization if you want that, if that's something you want to do. Like you said, Fletch, not many people truly understand what commercialization is and how to do it well. There's I I can't I can barely count I can barely count them on my on my hand. I remember when someone asked me to be able to find them a grower at 16,000 square feet, and I was like, guys, do you understand that nobody's actually run that much square footage consistently ever? Like at all. And and they're like, What do you mean? I was like, guys, look, you your concept of commercial cannabis is caught up in commercial agriculture, and we are very far from one another, although we sometimes get talked about in the same like conversation, and in in the sometimes we're in the same room, right? But we both know that it's a completely different game, right? So, how do you get there is you know being extremely humble and extremely uh present, you know, because you're not gonna just run 16,000 square feet with a 15-person team and bang it out time and time again every single time. That's a that takes a lot of teamwork, you know, it's a machine. So it's not what Fletch is talking about with four to sixteen lights, you know, that you're not, it's a very different you're talking about a sports team basically.

SPEAKER_09 1:33:38

You know, so you're not gonna win uh or be successful at that large scale because you're a good grower. That's maybe 25% of what succeeding at that level is. Everything else is people management, funds management, um your timing, uh employment, uh like it's all the other things that it takes to run a business. And most people that are good at growing weed uh do not have that skill set like at all. Uh not only do they not have it, but most of them are terrible at it. Even myself included, I I'm actually okay at it, but I hate doing it more than anything. So it act so by that definition, I'm terrible at it, you know?

SPEAKER_08 1:34:19

Yeah. Well, you know, everyone has their yeah at that certain scale, everyone has their kind of role. You know, I look at it like a band or like a some, you know, like I said, a sports like everyone has a role. Like you're playing drums, you play drums. You know, you're playing guitar, you're playing guitar. Um, and that's you're just your role, and that's what you should focus on and and really hone in on. You know, if that's what you want to do is fertigation, that's your zone. You know, you hone in on that only. You want to look at IPM management, do that only, you know, at that scale to your point. But um, but yeah, the but also, man, like I always just encourage people to grow as much as they can on their own and learn. And to your point, get build a room, uh you know, build your own room, you know, and and get your own columns, get your own seeds, and go go get at it and start making mistakes and you know, have the lights go off or something, you know what I mean? Like have your seed go out on it.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:21

Yeah, if you can't make a good living with like a garage setup, there's no reason to be like, I should go run a thousand lights or five hundred lights. I mean, what's the point there? You got you've already got a scaled size of something that you can make profitable if you're really as good as you say you are. So why what what's the point of going through the trouble? And the risk for putting up 10 lights is less now than there ever was. So to me, it's like, you know, uh, I basically won't hire someone unless I see that they can run 20 lights on their own and crush it. You know, if you if you you know, if you can't show me a 20 lighter, you're already running for your living and you just want to join a better team, there's no proof to me that you really have the skills required other than to do, like you said, individual jobs, uh fertigation, plant management, whatever it is in a large facility. But if you're gonna be the like director of cultivation and where you have to, yeah, you gotta like you should 20 you should be able to do 20 lights and go to the beach every day and make a living. Then you're probably not you're not suited for a big grow.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:28

I agree. I don't anytime I hire someone, I want to see I always ask them what their portfolio looks like, and it's not just showing me bags and jars. I actually want to be invited, I want to see what you do and how you do it, and how that translates to this jar that you gave me. And show me like what's up, like you know, I've been.

SPEAKER_09 1:36:50

I've seen great weed come out of a dirty grow, and a dirty grow at scale doesn't work, so you know it's like it like you're saying, a jar is a good step, but I gotta know how many cycles you're getting. I need to see your numbers, I need to see what how you run your business, and if you don't run your 10 lighter like a business, you'll never do a thousand lights like anything, other than a home grow.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:15

Yep, no, you're nailing it. So those out there that are looking to you know come work for you know brands or reach out to those of us out here, you know, just we want to see people that are doing it on because you love to do it, and it's it's something that you're showing up for regardless of anything else. You know, like all of us, I think, here show up because we love it. It's not and really anything else, it's just a everything else is a byproduct of that, you know.

SPEAKER_09 1:37:44

The the only scaled stuff that works like that is 90% of the time it's because you have it, because it's an owner operator, right? Yeah, 100%. Outside of that, it's gonna be like the amount of big gross that have an investment group that are paying people to just work there that are succeeding right now, is few and far between if not zero. You know, I mean it's if you actually made any of them pay their debts, it the number would likely be zero.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:13

Yep, and as and as it to your point with just how everything's kind of changing, uh you know, it's not gonna get really any easier because you will have to pay taxes, even with write-offs. Like, go do the numbers, guys. Like, it's there, it's the write-offs don't help you all that much, you know. Um, so you know, you still got to run a business, and that's something that a lot of of operators out there are gonna have to come to truce with. It's why everything is the way it is, to your point, um, Fletcher. It's exactly you know, we have my opinion.

SPEAKER_09 1:38:45

This it's this is as evidenced by the market conditions, right?

SPEAKER_08 1:38:49

It's you're right, it's the truth, and that's why I said that because it's just what don't want the viewers being like, Man, these guys are just talking smack. No, what we're saying, everyone out there is that there's been a lot of turmoil based on false PL and people looking at like four X on their returns, which never ever came ever. Um, show me one, or yeah, maybe show me a few, I guess, exits that have actually like done that for anyone. Everyone else here that's that I know that's been doing this is just here working as if it's a it's a gig. You know, it's not uh you're not selling your business to the highest bidder, you know.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:28

The majority of those big monster grows, the only reason they're even surviving right now, even with all the debt they incur, is them just trapping all the weed to the black market. That's their only profit margin, is just that at all. Um, that's the val, especially in California, but that's the vast majority of producers in most scale states. I mean, Washington, it's bad, Oregon, it's bad, California, it's bad, Michigan, it's bad, Maine, it's bad. The amount of export that's occurring from legal businesses is you know significant.

SPEAKER_10 1:40:04

Well, there's also no apprenticeships, right? There used to be apprenticeships growing, you know, when we were rolling up. And so you were allowed to have successes and failures, most importantly, failures, right? Because that's where we all learn. None of us learn from success. We all learn from when shit fucked up. And from then on, you know, but that's because we had guides. I mean a lot of us, you know, from the illegal days, you had to work with a grower and a you know, or you tried it on your own. I tried it on my own and failed quite successfully on my own, um, quite significantly, with the help of my friends, right? Like my first grow, I had to leave. So my friend watched my grow and I came back and he was like, Hey man, I telepathically swore the cops were coming. So I cut down your plants and then I dried them in the microwave for you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:00

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_10 1:41:02

Yeah. So that you know, when when you start out like that, you know, it's there's only one place to go, but up. But, you know, with these large skill grows, I mean, we worked ourselves up to those to have the availability to do that. I mean, you literally have to have, you know, greenhouse management classes, courses, and you know, there are legitimate real-world, you know, business opportunities, but for cannabis growers to meet all those specific needs. I think you were talking about that earlier, Fletch, and how they just don't exist anymore. You know, you have to literally create them or bring up somebody you feel is confident, but then you also be prepared for the fail. Look at that freak. Um, which no money can afford, right? You've got that many lights, that many systems. There is no room for failure, period. End of story. If you fail, the business is over. Exactly. So that's the biggest thing I think people are negotiating currently is there is no ability for failure allowed. And with apprenticeships or anything like that, that's an inevitable. So it makes it even harder for people coming up to want to step into those roles because those people overseeing those operations can't afford to put a half acry into a serious situation, right?

SPEAKER_09 1:42:21

Exactly. And it's uh like I said, there's about five percent that are going to be able to make this work by doing internal training and having the right team and owner operators that are paying attention, everything, but it's such a small group that uh small group of people that have that skill that they're simply not available, like they're in more demand to themselves than they could ever be available to you. So hiring these people is is kind of a pipe dream. You're actually much better off from like a strategic standpoint to like start a school and start training people than you would be trying to find these non-existent people and non-available at the very least.

SPEAKER_10 1:43:05

And that's uh where we've been guiding people for the past you know decade or so, or people are like, Well, I want to get into a legitimate business. How do I do that? You know, when there's no schools. Well, there are schools for you know greenhouse management and how to actually run grows, it's just not cannabis grows, and so your experiences have to get gonna have to be found elsewhere, otherwise, you were a closet grower along while you were doing it, right? You know, so how do you like Fletch? You know, you're a you grow on a scale and uh you at regular places all around to make sure that you have you know acclimated genetics, etc. So how do you go about hiring, or do you just have to end up doing it all yourself?

SPEAKER_09 1:43:49

Say if it's I yeah, I have partnerships and then I kind of let them manage their things, but if it's my if it if it's my money in my place, I basically have to live there and run it myself because I've hired and had countless people that had degrees from FSU and whatever for greenhouse management or whatever plant-related sciences, and they just don't work out because at the end of the day, running these big facilities is much less about um you know knowing what chemical to use to clean out your irrigation lines than it is uh knowing what kind of freon you have in your AC systems and how you can get the thing back online and whether or not the electrical system is where the breakers are and why this is tripped, and walk into a room, why is the humidity up? Like that's you literally that's what you really need. And it doesn't matter if it's 6 a.m. or midnight, you might be in there fucking with it. And most people just aren't willing to do that, and that's why I say if you really are that passionate about it, good at growing, care about quality, and want to provide a product that's in high demand but low supply, a 20-lighter, 10 lighter, four lighter that's crushing it with good genetics is really a much better place to put that energy and effort, in my opinion, than most large-scale facilities. Because at the end of the day, like I said, most of these big facilities, the the ownership is not like the likelihood your job's gonna be around long term is very low unless you know the owner operator and you know that they're gonna stay in, they they intend to stay in business. Most of the people that are investing in weed, they're just looking for they were looking for a quick in and a quick out. And some people got it and some people didn't.

SPEAKER_10 1:45:38

So there's a gap then, right? You've you stated it quite clearly. There's a gap between the education and the real world application. So, you know, I know there's places that try to, there's cloverleaf, oaksterdam, but those seem to not close that gap. So, I mean, Jen, I see you all the time. You're the one in your garden doing your shit because you know, who else can you rely on at times, especially because of your knowledge base?

SPEAKER_00 1:46:08

Yeah, and everybody that I've had come in to help. It's uh again, if I I haven't had anybody cut down my crop and microwave it because they thought the cops were coming, but uh with the exception of the two times that I had my mother come in and watch my personal grow while I had to go out of town, every single time I come back and it's one thing or another. It's either dead clones, it's dead plants, it's I mean, gosh, I had this one guy that uh was just supposed to keep an eye on my clones in the in the easy cloner. And I get a message like three days later when I'm like, don't do anything, like just literally eyes, not hands. Um he was like, I don't know what happened, but the roots are all hot pink and everything's dead, and I killed your mothers too. And I was like, What? How? And he's like, Well, I I thought I would change out the cloner water, and then the pH pen was not calibrating correctly. And I'm like, why are you calibrating anything? And the only thing I could come up with was that he wasn't using the right solution. So instead of like calibration solution, uh, he was using something else. But I think the pink roots came from the fact that I'm pretty sure that he used the buffer solution instead of a pH up or down, because I've never seen anything like it. He sent me pictures. I wish I still had the pictures, but this was you know, eight years ago, they're on a different phone that's probably in the phone. So they were they were hot pink? They were hot pink and they were like slimy, like like it burned everything off of them, but the roots were hot pink. So through talking to everybody that I possibly could, have you ever seen this? And then I was looking through and I was like, okay, show me exactly what you did. And he showed me this, and I was like, that's buff resolution, that's not pH up or down, like that's not yeah. So I don't know, but yeah, you just you can't rely on somebody else to take care of your your stuff because they don't have that material loss or that passion that you know, you walk in, your dreams are crushed all of a sudden because you've got hot pink roots and dead plants everywhere.

SPEAKER_10 1:48:25

So yeah, it's chapter and the stress of the obligation, right? Because if you can't rely on people, I mean I've been to one of your grows, you know, uh um Fletch, and I've seen you're on it, you know, you're there, you have to be on it all the time. So there's uh an unfortunate time suck that comes with it, right? Because you, as much as we all think that, you know, we afford ourselves our personal freedoms when it comes to plants. If you're actively listening to plants, you're actively listening to plants, and you're like I I've said it before, I call them time machines because you step into a grow, you only weren't meant to go in there for five minutes, then you come out five hours later, the sun's gone down, and you know, everything's completely changed because you actively listened to your plants and had to do what had to be done, and you can't wait till tomorrow because these are high pressure and high reality situations with plants, especially where they grow, how they grow, you know, the humidity. But geez, can't even pink pink. I'm still stunned by the pink root situation. I'm I've just blown away.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:29

Like, what did you do? Yeah, I had no idea. Yeah, you call them time machines. I call them, I I re I kind of uh relate them to a casino. You know, you don't know what time it is, and you could win or you could lose. Like, yeah, same, same difference though. Yeah, pink roots. Has anybody else seen hot hot pink roots that has any input on that? I mean, again, this was many years ago, but the only thing I could come up with was that buffer solution.

SPEAKER_12 1:50:00

But yeah, these are the days I miss Gunkman Sam.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:04

Yeah, Sam, what was that, bro?

SPEAKER_04 1:50:07

He's like, well, in nineteen seventy-two.

SPEAKER_10 1:50:11

And then uh what we had to do is we had to go find a goat from two ho two hills over, and yeah, I'm missing.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:22

Dude, my computer was about to die. Luckily, um, my buddy has the same charging cable, but uh I think I left my charging cable yesterday at low temp. Oopsie. Masonic says Mills turns my roots pink. Wasn't using Mills though. No, but if Mills turns his roots pink, it's possibly there's something in there that I did use Mills back in the day though.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:49

I never had pink roots. I wonder if he could maybe expand on that a little bit more because that's interesting.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:54

A friend of mine just texted me, he said fuserium turns red uh can turn roots pink. Okay, makes sense. Fungal passion pathogen.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:11

I don't know that that would have been the case in this situation because it was a matter of three days I left.

SPEAKER_10 1:51:16

Yeah, that's way too fast for yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:19

Yeah, so it wasn't like a growth anything, which was part of the confusing part. Like, how in three days did you literally just wipe everything out?

SPEAKER_01 1:51:27

Like, yeah. Interesting though.

SPEAKER_10 1:51:31

Well, I mean, you let's let's let's digress on what we were talking about earlier, the lack of the of a gap between uh school and real world application, right? Um uh I knew you know back in the day there was no school for this, so I had to approach a grower and ask for apprenticeship, right? Um, if you really wanted to grow, if you found somebody who was a really good grower, you know, you had to pass the vibe check, right? You know, all those things that you know people either success or fail on, right? Because people are strange, people are weird. Um, but then you start dealing with plants and start dealing in plants in closed, you know, closed areas, you know, it comes with a whole other series of problems that can ascend quickly, right? And in a matter of 24 hours, shit can really flip a script that if you depending on how you're growing and growing style, you cannot recover from, right? So how do how do we negotiate this in the future? I think Fletch, is it the as you said, you start a grow school by growers for growers, so that you know, you know, cannabis growers, not just growers in general, but that lack of there's a lack there. So, how do we close that gap? How do we help people who are watching are like, I want to be there, I want to do that. But Fletch says that that didn't work, so how do I arrive there?

SPEAKER_09 1:52:59

I I think nowadays there's there's not nearly the options that we have like when we started up. Uh a big part of it being the cost of operations, you know, just even getting a rental house that you can grow in is way more expensive than it was, you know, even 10 years ago, much less 20 or 30 years ago. So um I think for most people their their best bet is to start out is to grow at home, you know, two lights, four lights, and uh and focus on that. And and if you can run, if you can run, it's just like anything. Like if you want to get good at basketball, you need to go shoot free throws. You know, it's not about all the everything else. You need to dribble and shoot free throws. And then once you can start hitting free throws, now you can go try everything else. But until then, it's like you really have to just focus on the basics. And uh the more committed you are to a structured basic program, the better your results at scale will be. And and if you just if you're not trying to do it like that, then it's probably not the job for you at the end of the day, long term. I mean, uh the the only other option is like an actual school, and that school would have to be an operational business, essentially, right? It's an operating cannabis grow, and you have highly talented um teachers and and a really good curriculum, and you teach them the things that they really need to know, and really none of the stuff that they don't need to know. Um, it's you know, growing at scale is not as complicated as a lot of people make it out, and it can be done. Like, I'm not saying nobody can do it, I'm just saying the reason why things look the way they are is there's way more people trying to do it than there is qualified people operating.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:46

Yeah, that's the truth. That's well said. My take on it is, you know, like you just said, man. My you know, I'm I'm like, you know, go skate, go play basketball, whatever, make whatever your analogy is, like go put the time in on the court. Um, but also if you can and you actually are some people aren't built for this, you know, like Fletch, some people don't aren't built for college, right? Let's be honest about that, right? They're better off out there in the court throwing three free throws or free throws and then playing playing pickup games, so to speak, rather than going to a college, joining the basketball team, showing up and training, right? Like, you know, UConn's a good example of that. They have a really good program for hemp. They have a cannabis program that's baked in with research and good professors that are pushing pushing certain aspects of it, but not everyone's built for that, you know. And there's a lot of analogies that I could bring in. Like, there's artists that I've hired for my in my career that never went to art school that are like some of the best illustrators and animators I've ever met in my life. But it's because they put the time in to your point, and you know, their skill sets evolved because of that that passion that they have for it. So I hear you.

SPEAKER_09 1:56:05

It's not just your passion and your talent, right? It's your operational, your operational management. And like it's really, really difficult to learn operational management without the structure of like an organization, right?

SPEAKER_08 1:56:19

Exactly. That back to my point of the basketball players, right? Some people are players, some people are built for management, some people are coaches, right?

SPEAKER_09 1:56:28

Some people have to know how to play on a team, and that's what I'm getting at, right? And that's the hard part.

SPEAKER_08 1:56:33

Yeah, you got to know your place. That's where I'm getting at, right? So but there are all these different paths to end up at that same place, right? Which is amazing, and there's no wrong in that. Like some people can trap their way to it, some people need to go and get academia and go all the way to that. I don't know. There's no wrong, but I agree.

SPEAKER_09 1:56:56

Results are results, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:56:57

100% results are results, and the proofs and the pudding, whatever you want to bring to the table is that, but I I um I I think you're right. Um, a hundred percent that people need to put the time in um and really eat, breathe, sleep it, you know, and and as a result, find your role, you know, and try not to be the grower that just started in an organization that wants to be the CEO, etc. You know what I mean? Like learn, learn from everyone around you. Yeah, and I think that's the other thing.

SPEAKER_10 1:57:28

And be humble while doing it, because there's a uh a thing that happens with same thing that happens with musicians, same thing that happens with artists. They sometimes will get an ego where they think they're too good for something. And that's one of the things about that large-scale growing is there's no room for that. There's it's it's about formula five following formulas and looking for problems to fix, right? And if you can't assess and do those things, those problems are gonna arrive en masse consistently, and that's what you, or if you're hiring somebody, want to avoid. So, you know, negotiating that in this real world is uh, yeah, I agree. I put my time in failing as a grower, finally getting it right as a grower, but always being passionate about it, having to take the risks. You know, what you were saying, Fletch, a lot of those things that you said before didn't exist. There's still underground grows, there's still people if you want to do it, but you got to still take those risks. And with those risks comes the anxiety, comes the fear, comes all those things that each one of us have had to thicken our skins and our realities too.

SPEAKER_09 1:58:37

Because that's what that's what made a good grower, right? Because, like you just said, the the probably the most important trait, especially at scale, but even small scale, is looking for problems. And most people do everything they can to avoid problems, and so it takes a really special kind of person who every day they go to work and they are literally looking for problems so that they can go fix them. That that's not what most people want to do. Most people want to show up to work, do the same thing every day that's relatively easy, go take their lunch break and call it a day at 4:30. The guy, the good grower is the guy that's showing up at 5 a.m. because there was something wrong with the dehumidifier last night, and he already stopped at Home Depot to buy a couple parts to fix the drain line because it's like and and he gets in there and he's up in the up in the attic of your space and he's up there until 10 p.m. fixing some other problem he came across, right? It's like that you it that's what it really takes to do it at scale. And there's a small amount of people with that personality type.

SPEAKER_08 1:59:52

You're totally right, man. 100%. I feel like I've been lucky to have worked with a few that have that personality type, you know. Um it's tough though. You know, there's a lot of people you'll cycle through that say they have that until they sh, you know, until you're in it. And it's you know what I mean. I had a kid taken apart vent vent cherry injectors one morning. I walked in. I was like, what are you doing, dude? He's like, it was clogged again. I had I took them all apart, and I was like, that's why you're here, man. This is this is why I love you, man. You know, and that's the type of to your point. This is the that's the type of you know, intuition, if you will, that not many people are willing to like be like, shit, I gotta take it all apart. It's not just this one, you know. Um, so that's you know, that's all those that are out there looking to really step it up, like just know that's the mentality, man. And it's you gotta take the complete ownership of it, you know. Otherwise, it's you know, it's you're just again, you're just passing it through, you know.

SPEAKER_09 2:00:57

So yeah, it's to to run a large-scale facility, it takes full accountability, which most people are allergic to, yeah, and it takes uh you know that that dedication that it's just you know, most people are so afraid of conflict, and literally running a grow correctly is literally a conflict with either mechanical or people. One of the two at all times, you know. And some of us love it, but there's always some sort of problem that you're trying to fix. That's really what it is, you know.

SPEAKER_10 2:01:28

Problem solving, right?

SPEAKER_09 2:01:29

No, you're right. Putting out fire, that's all you're doing all day. And if you don't, if you're not if you don't like being a fireman, this isn't the job. And most of the fires aren't in the form of plants, they're in other other forms.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:42

Unfortunately, yeah, man. It's like you I wish they were in the form of plants, it'd be easier to put them out. Um, you know, so it's it's you're right. And the other thing that comes to mind is really, you know, beyond dedication is just respecting uh, you know, people around you when things are really going wrong, you know, and having that's that sense of being really center and really being able to be mature enough to be like you know, cal collected enough to direct people with respect. And I think that's one thing I I often um I think is is missed sometimes.

SPEAKER_10 2:02:20

Calm cool and collected in those situations is most importante in those times, right?

SPEAKER_08 2:02:26

Yeah, because you're a team, you're still a family, you know what I mean? And that's correct, right?

SPEAKER_10 2:02:30

That's the thing I think chastising, you're just trying to problem solve, right? We all realize there's problems happen, whatever that problem is, but we have to solve it, and you need to you need to put those heads together sometimes because not everybody has that depth of understanding. So having those teams and that calmness in that free flow allows that flow state because you need that flow state in those chaos situations because the last I mean it's easy to panic. We've all been in those, oh shit, what the fuck, right? And then it's all about breathing through it, walking it back, and true problem solvers are worth their weight in gold.

SPEAKER_00 2:03:10

Yeah, it's one thing to have that knee-jerk reaction, it's a whole nother thing to perpetuate that throughout trying to solve the problem, just making everything very difficult.

SPEAKER_09 2:03:20

Yeah, 100%. You're looking for the guy that's picking up the tools, not complaining about the problem, you know.

SPEAKER_08 2:03:28

So the best people.

SPEAKER_10 2:03:29

Yo, welcome, Caleb. I see he has shown up.

SPEAKER_06 2:03:34

Hello, hello. Late. I'm sorry, but great to see y'all.

SPEAKER_10 2:03:40

Uh, yeah, I know you had an event yesterday. Sorry I wasn't able to make it. Um I I caught a virus on my way home, so I'm still getting over it, and I didn't want to be contagious to our wooks and be the bearer of wook cough. So uh I hope everything went well, but nothing but love and respect.

SPEAKER_06 2:03:58

It was a great fun time at the Chapel of Flowers. We talked about the Buddhist Harvest Report. We could do uh we could do a virtual version on here at some point. But it's it's kind of interesting looking at the actual DCC data and seeing how much California has fucked up uh cannabis for the counties that you think of when you think of California cannabis. So the seven counties that we featured in the harvest report were Trinity, Humboldt, Mendocino, Lake, Sonoma, Nevada, and Santa Cruz. And especially those first three, the Emerald Triangle, Humboldt, Trinity, and Mendocino. Humboldt and Trinity actually lost share of their total California outdoor harvest since the last year. And that's something that most people might not know has happened. And the proof that there are other counties that maybe have more or less restrictive laws, and that has actually led to more licenses there and more, I guess, booth being grown in other counties as opposed to in the Emerald Triangle. It's it's definitely had impacts on lessening licenses and all that stuff. My goodness, that glass looks so good.

SPEAKER_10 2:05:22

That Robinson goat looked goat.

SPEAKER_08 2:05:25

Marcus, since since I've gotten this thing, this thing is a little ripper.

SPEAKER_10 2:05:30

I like this better than the uh oh dude, it is the best travel travel piece ever, uh as far as I'm concerned.

SPEAKER_08 2:05:39

It's very unsuspecting because I would honestly I didn't really it mine doesn't pull as well with the pipe extension on it, but with that it's it's it brings it.

SPEAKER_10 2:05:49

Yeah, the the design with the open air on both sides and now adding the little bead inside really turns it into a serious little ripper that um yeah, nothing but respect for. I mean, uh I I've I've dreamed of a um um a product that worked that well. But with that and a sploofy, you can go anywhere. I gotta put the beads in mine, Marcus. I still haven't put them in.

SPEAKER_08 2:06:14

Put them in.

SPEAKER_10 2:06:14

You gotta put the beads in, dude. Trust me. Just start off with one, but it's it it turns into it. I just use one.

SPEAKER_08 2:06:20

I haven't put them in. I'll I got them right here. I keep it check it out.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:24

I got a low temp Scully Vibes t shirt.

SPEAKER_08 2:06:28

Nice.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:28

You guys familiar with Scully Vibes?

SPEAKER_08 2:06:31

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:33

Yeah, he's fucking an awesome artist, dude. He's here right now painting or drawing or whatever it is he's doing. This is actually uh Believe a painting that he did. We just bought like 10 of these for the reserve the other day. So Kyle's got this is one of my favorites right here. I feel like oh yeah.

SPEAKER_10 2:06:52

I got the print that he did uh live on Hash Church. I just have to frame it now. But uh is very talented and uh he's you know he's got his finger on the pulse of uh you know how things are and he shows that and represents it. There it is. Badass, well framed.

SPEAKER_08 2:07:20

Blotter. Oh, I like the Homer. Blotter art.

SPEAKER_10 2:07:26

I miss blotter art. Oh, that's great. Blotter art shows. I used to do art shows back in the 90s where I was able to pick some up, you know, uh undosed blotter art. Uh, because I have like uh the through the looking glass, I have the front and the back, and there they actually sold the little 45 etched with the same notches. So I have that framed as a one piece.

SPEAKER_08 2:07:51

Uh I had a friend growing up who collected blotter um pretty seriously. Like he had like full full pieces that were definitely some of them were dose, some of them were not.

SPEAKER_01 2:08:05

I have my little blotter collection, right?

SPEAKER_08 2:08:07

Yeah, some may allegedly, I should say, allegedly, some are allegedly dust or allegedly not.

SPEAKER_01 2:08:13

Allegedly.

SPEAKER_10 2:08:14

Um it's fun to show this art. That's great art, man. That's a nice collection of Scully's work, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:24

Oh, we have way more, dude. There's like there's some up there on the wall. There's two of them. You can't really see the other one. It's hiding behind the thing, but there's and then we're gonna get him to do this wall right here. A whole series. Actually, if you really want to see some ridiculous art, I guess I would probably wait.

SPEAKER_08 2:08:42

No, no, take the elevator, Marcus. Take the elevator.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:44

Oh, the elevator, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:08:45

And what are you doing, dog?

SPEAKER_03 2:08:47

Come on.

SPEAKER_08 2:08:48

Why are you using your feet when you could be using the elevator?

SPEAKER_03 2:08:51

Because the elevator wasn't here.

SPEAKER_13 2:08:53

I was like, oh, I gotta like pull it, I gotta call it back. Come on, like, here it comes. I'll take the elevator.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:00

Show us the elevator, dude. This place is so ridiculous. It is okay. Look at these fucking beanbag chairs.

SPEAKER_08 2:09:10

Those are legit. Those are those are I used to have those types of beanbag chairs in my loft in New York. The Love Sacks. That's the company if you want to check them out.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:23

I believe it.

SPEAKER_13 2:09:24

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03 2:09:26

Don't buy from the copycat bags. Don't buy from those guys. Fuck.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:31

Yeah, I remember they used to have their I think their main store was in uh down in Salt Lake, and I used to work down there like 20 years ago.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:40

Uh, and I would take a break and I would walk over to that store and they would let us just hang out and love sax.

SPEAKER_06 2:09:46

I'd walk over to that store from West High School and uh yeah, sit in the sax.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:52

Yeah, are you West High School, Utah?

SPEAKER_06 2:09:56

I was I was an Elper there when I was a little kid.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:59

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_01 2:10:00

Yeah, West High is a it's a trip. School is a little rough. I don't know if it's a detail, I'm assuming it is. Oh shit, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_06 2:10:17

Good to see you again.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:20

I love it. Oh, Utah. You know what's funny? I've actually talked to a couple people. Uh who was it? Um Straight Concentrates. Um he's from Utah. Uh Murray Murphy, she's from Utah. Like it's amazing.

SPEAKER_08 2:10:37

There's actually Kyle Kyle from Heritage is also from Utah.

SPEAKER_01 2:10:42

Is he?

SPEAKER_06 2:10:43

Yes, from Alpine Seed Group. Uh I think Marcus, you know her? From Utah.

SPEAKER_08 2:10:52

Chris Dreyer.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:54

Is Chris from here?

SPEAKER_08 2:10:55

No, no, no. We were just he was just showing his work.

SPEAKER_01 2:10:58

Oh yeah. He does amazing work though. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:11:04

No, Utah kind of put out a couple of really decent things, which is interesting because we just didn't have such access to things, but those of us that wanted to find it definitely did.

SPEAKER_06 2:11:19

10, 12 hours from the California border, it's still relatively close. Yeah, it's not that far out.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:25

It's true, it's geographically speaking for sure.

SPEAKER_01 2:11:29

Definitely drivable.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:32

Yeah, no, a hundred percent. And you can shoot right up to, you know, Colorado too. You know, you're right there. It's essentially the same southern mountain range, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:11:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:45

So it's a good part of the world.

SPEAKER_00 2:11:48

Yep. I mean we're surrounded by really great states. It's just it's a little better than it used to be, but I've had some amazing

SPEAKER_08 2:12:00

Times riding snowboards in Utah. I mean, honeycomb bowl is pretty legendary out out in uh I can't remember what what mountain that Solitude, I think that's where that yeah, honey cold honeycomb bowl in the s in Solitude. And then Brighton is super fun. Like it's small. Brighton's so fun though.

SPEAKER_00 2:12:19

Brighton's a spot to go if you snowboard. A lot of the other places wouldn't even allow you to snowboard. It was it was not tolerated. So there was only a couple that we had options for.

SPEAKER_08 2:12:29

Brighton's legendary, though. It's like such a fun place to ride. Uh the snow's so good there. Yeah, Marcus, you would love Brighton. It's like a snow it's like a snow natural snowboard park with boulders and just like it's so fun, man. You just like these little speed riding in powder and just launch off these rocks and float around on them. That sounds amazing. It's super cool.

SPEAKER_00 2:12:53

Sadly, we got no snow this year. It was the craziest winter. It snowed, I want to say, maybe a total of three times, and the snow was gone within 48 hours. Until like, you know, mid-April, we finally got our first snowstorm in mid-April. It was crazy. It was like 68 degrees here uh on Christmas. Unheard of. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:13:20

I don't know. I think all out, you know, I know it's Trump's fault.

SPEAKER_00 2:13:25

Right. Well, so think about this. So now, so Utah's always in a perpetual drought. Like, I don't think there's been a year that I've been alive that Utah has not been in a drought. Uh, and then with the winter that we just had that was literally non-existent, and now there's all this talk about this what is it, 400,000-acre data center that they want to put here that's gonna use something like six billion gallons of water daily in a state that is in a serious water crisis all the time. I'm just like, oh, we are living in idiocracy. This is insane.

SPEAKER_08 2:14:03

It's pretty seriously on point. Yes, we are.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:14:07

Marcus is in uh Starship Enterprise chair.

SPEAKER_03 2:14:11

Nice bridge, bridge uh calling to the uh medic bay. We're gonna need some dabs up here and uh on the bridge, please. Maybe we have to try to captain. Dude, this chair is so ridiculous. It is the most insane chair I've ever sat in in my life. No, no, no. It's the massage chair, it's not one of those massage chairs, it is the massage chair. This thing's like 20 racks.

SPEAKER_10 2:14:43

It looks like a mecca out. It looks like I'm getting ready for you guys. I know pop up behind you.

SPEAKER_13 2:14:50

You know, it looks so ridiculous. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:55

A full shot of that, Marcus. I can't.

SPEAKER_03 2:14:58

I don't I don't know if I can I don't know how well I can do a full shot of it. It's oh shit, I'm going back, guys. I'm going back.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:07

Does it have the leg grabby things to get your caps and everything?

SPEAKER_03 2:15:11

As well as feet inside.

SPEAKER_11 2:15:14

He's totally feet too.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:16

Oh, that's I am like I'm laid back.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:19

I better oh, also it has these arm things that you fit your arms into, and then they have those at my gym, and then yeah, you put your arms in there and you can feel these bags like fill up with air and like compress your arms like that.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:36

This is the massage chair episode now. This is the massage chair episode. Uh, brought to you by Osaki. Osaki to me. Serious chairs for serious people. Serious chairs for serious chairs.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:52

See if there's a little button on there that's got like a G and the graph mode, and it'll actually lean you back to the point where you're oh it has it. Yeah, so that'll like equalize your body so that you have equally distributed weight across the whole thing.

SPEAKER_10 2:16:08

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 2:16:08

They have yeah, they have a version of those at the gym that I go to.

SPEAKER_10 2:16:11

So it's like bullioncy.

SPEAKER_00 2:16:13

Awesome.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:15

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:17

This thing is it is gonna pick me up soon, I think, and I'm gonna walk around the reserve in this like mechanical body chair.

SPEAKER_00 2:16:27

Clip it on.

SPEAKER_10 2:16:30

Since you're in Denver, it doesn't have a little oxygen thing that comes over with a little bit of oxygen for no, instead, it has a small Starbucks dispenser.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:42

How pissed would you be if you got some reclaim on it? Oh, I think we'd be okay.

SPEAKER_10 2:16:49

Does it have a PES dispenser?

SPEAKER_03 2:16:51

Dude, hey Marcus, do you remember that one massage chair episode? Could you tell me the timestamp? Hash Bible.org. Go check it out.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:00

That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:02

Yeah, some some uh very awesome community members, Jen, uh created some type of thing. I don't know what the hell it is, but it's some type of intelligence, and it's they've transcribed all of the hash churches, and now it's all searchable, and so you can just search for something, and then it's like the person who talked about it is in the link to answer you. It's from the episode. So it's like if you're like, oh, when did so and so talk about a search? Boom, you punch that in, you'll get all the links. I did it the other day. I did it was on a test module. I tested, I just punched in Dr. Lester Grinspoon, and two episodes came up right away. And just with him in them, and then I was like, you know, I wanted to hear what he was talking about and see if I could search that and get that to a timestamp, and that's basically what it is. It's it's really cool, it's coming very soon, if not in the next week. Oh, it's just intelligence, it's just intelligence.

SPEAKER_08 2:17:58

You gotta do a dab in the chair now.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:59

Um I can't do a dab in the chair. My arms are locked into the chair, it's squeezing my feet, it's squeezing my hips.

SPEAKER_08 2:18:11

Oh, by the way, this thing offered you that you turn down.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:14

It has heaters, it has speakers, so I could have you guys coming out of my speakers right now on either side of my head. And it's got a wireless charger.

SPEAKER_08 2:18:25

I could write a whole bit on this.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:27

Yeah, you should. So you come here and I make a whole video of you in this chair.

SPEAKER_08 2:18:34

Sir, I said no to the helmet, but I I'd like to reconsider my order.

SPEAKER_00 2:18:39

I need to VR the glasses to go with it.

SPEAKER_08 2:18:45

I'd like to be cool if it was pink up to that. I would like the discount on the dab helmet after further thought.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:54

This is the couch lock chair. Actually, you know what? I think there's a pillow that I'm not using. Yes, there we go. Much better, much better. Although now this thing's finally squeezed me out and I can't get in it because I moved my arm at the wrong time when it needed to squeeze my shoulders. This thing compresses you on the side, like it's absolutely insane.

SPEAKER_10 2:19:16

First world massage chair problems, ladies and gentlemen.

SPEAKER_08 2:19:19

Yeah, V2. It's gonna be you move your arm slightly and it it gives you a certain type of dab. You move it another way, it gives you another type of dab. Dude, get in the lab, Colin. Get in the lab. I'm already I'm taking notes right now.

SPEAKER_00 2:19:32

I believe in stretch mode, it like it will pull you from one side here and up here. It'll literally like twist. See if there's a stretch mode on it.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:42

Oh, oh, I've used all the modes, and I have indeed used the stretch mode, and the stretch mode on this thing is frightening. It is terrifying. It pulls your feet down, it bends the whole chair back, it bends your back. You're like, whoa, this is this is actually like borderline scary. Anyway, enough about me. How are you guys doing?

SPEAKER_00 2:20:05

Very good. So I actually have to hop off here. I just got a message that I got a surprise visit from my grandkids. So I'm gonna go play with the grandbabies.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:17

So did you're just did your just your day just get like so much better when you got that message?

SPEAKER_01 2:20:23

Yes, very much. That's so nice.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:25

I can see it on your face.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:27

Yeah, they're uh how old are they now? We've got a three-year-old and an almost five-year-old.

SPEAKER_05 2:20:33

Oh my gosh, that's a great age.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:36

Little boys, so I just had like three girls. So uh the whole like small small boy situation is so fun.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:44

Yeah, it's totally different for sure. That's uh that's pretty awesome. Well, you definitely enjoy your grandkids. I'm envious that you have grandkids, but I'm getting there. I'm sure eventually, uh maybe I might be a grandpa.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:59

I mean, I had a daughter at 17, so now I get to experience the grandkids before I am too terribly old.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:07

Yeah, exactly. Well, that's it, right? How many people are like, I'm not gonna have my kids till I'm 50? It's like, oh, so you don't ever want to meet their kids.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:14

Yeah, you don't want the cool experience of like playing with these kids that kind of belong to you and then giving them back.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:21

So, you know, like oh, and you're you'll you'll most definitely be in line for great grandkids. Yeah, which is pretty awesome, right? You'll have great grandkids when these other people are like, Oh, I just had my first grandchild. It's like, Jesus Christ, dude, you're like 50 years old.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:36

Yeah, yeah, it's interesting uh to look at the the the difference between having children young versus having children old. It's like when you have them young, you have to have all these different experiences in life almost like after you raise them, and then you have that freedom to go have these experiences. Whereas it's the opposite, if you wait till you have them old, you know, you're you're able to experience life in that different way. Um, but yeah, I went from being a kid to having kids, so I didn't have the same freedoms, let's say, that other people did.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:12

Um well, you made sacrifices and you that you sacrificed all of those times and moments, but that's that's literally what parenting is. You just sacrifice for your children, and I think it's when it feels like a jail that you feel like you lose your freedom, but you don't lose your freedom because you you exchanged it, you sacrificed it, it wasn't taken from you. You like happily brought up your kids.

SPEAKER_00 2:22:41

Yeah, oh absolutely. I wouldn't change it for the world. I don't think no.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:46

My god hang out with your grandsons right now. I know it's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 2:22:51

So thank you for having me on. It was good to see you all.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:55

Yeah, thanks for coming on, Jen. Appreciate you always and enjoy your family and enjoy the rest of your Sunday. Are you in Utah right now? I am in Utah. So we're not far from each other.

SPEAKER_00 2:23:07

No, honestly, if I would have seen uh your class a little bit sooner, I may have just taken a three-day drive up because it's only like seven hours maybe to Denver? Yeah, wow.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:21

Yeah, not too far.

SPEAKER_00 2:23:23

The gorgeous drive. Like that.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:25

Utah is so beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 2:23:27

Yeah, and yeah, maybe next time. I'll I'll keep an eye out.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:32

Next time you're in Denver, let me know, and I'll Yeah, I'll be here on June 6th for a party we're doing called Turps and Tallow. And then and then I might be here on 710 um doing a a thing with Puffco uh so that July there, July 10th. Okay, well, yeah, I like America now.

SPEAKER_00 2:23:50

Keep me up to date. I would make the drive to come hang out with you.

SPEAKER_08 2:23:53

I will for sure. I am right here, America. Yeah, I love America. You're you're coming Eddie Murphy every time. I am coming to America. That was such a good movie. That was beautiful. Um, I also have to jump, everyone. Um, I've had a lovely time with everybody here. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:15

Listen, this is actually we're gonna call it a day here, actually, because I also have to jump because um I gotta go get my charger and then I gotta fly home here in a little bit. But uh, I'm glad I pulled off a couple hours. I got a big crew of people here, too, that I'm kind of keeping. I'm I'm in the main room and they're all like downstairs uh because I'm up here on Hash Church. So appreciate you guys for doing that. I'm sure some of them are watching right now. It's time for us to get back to some dabs. I want to thank Puffco and the press club and bubble bags and Kyle from the reserve. I want to thank you, buddy. Thank you for the last week. It's been amazing. Space is insane. There's definitely no better place to hang out and chill in Denver. Um, absolutely baller experience. Definitely worth it for those of you that are coming out to Turps and Tallow on June 6th. I will see you here in the meantime. Thanks everybody for watching. Thanks, Atier and Jen and Caleb and Colin and Archive Fletcher Rooney. Um, appreciate everyone. Thanks, Scott, for coming on earlier from Puffco and Scully Vibes. And yeah, geez, I could go on and on and on and on and on. Um, but I won't. So thank you everybody. We will see you next weekend, where I should be there's I'm having a new group on, so it'll be a unique panel, and it's gonna be about these um these filters, these new joint smoking filters, which is neat that I even get to try anything new that has to do with joints because I smoke joints now. How about that? I love that for you. Isn't that crazy, Jen?

SPEAKER_00 2:25:54

I love that for you. They're such an experience that you really just need to like that's great.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:00

Well, listen, and and even I've only been smoking normal joints lately, but a couple days ago my partner was like, hey man, like try this. So I smoked this joint, it was like a 0.7. Um, but I guess it had 0.1 of bubble hash in it. It was actually really nice. And I go to him, I'm like, what is that? And he's like, Oh, snap. He's like, They're bubble man infused joints. I'm like, what are you doing? I'm like, dude, he's like, Yeah, dude, you're smoking joints now, man. This is a skew we gotta do. I'm like, I'd smoke the joint, my whole team smoked the joints. We all love them. We didn't know, and so it was kind of an easy like, fuck. I guess we're gonna be releasing some infused joints into the Colorado market. Should be fine. All right, everybody. Thanks for coming out, Hash Church. We'll see you next time. Enjoy the rest of your day.

unknown 2:26:54

See you.

SPEAKER_13 2:26:55

Thanks, everybody.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:58

I can't I can't figure this out. All right, you can.

SPEAKER_10 2:27:02

I believe in